Devil's Advocate Time...

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

Giving Burke his pink slip seems to be the new cause celebre' around here, and I'm on that bandwagon. Unfortunately, when everyone thinks the same way that means someone isn't thinking.

Let's look at the contributions to our record that Burke has provided:

Week 1-Tennessee...a 7 point win and the defense knocked out the starter and also had 3 INTs.
Week 3 - Oakland...21-17 2 minutes and change, Howard with the INT.
Week 9 - Jets...7 point win, Darnold has 4 INTs.

I'll even go so far as to say that besides the beginning of the Minny game, the defense gave us a chancee to get back into it, but they disintegrated with the rest of the squad.

Is Burke doing a good job...depends on how one looks at it. He fails the "eye test', but if Gase and Tannehill can be given mulligans for not having an o-line, a reliable TE, etc. then Burke should get some of that same consideration for having to deal with DTs who can't collapse a pocket, DEs who can't rush the passer, LBs who can't cover, SS playing FS, FS playing boundary corner.

 

[multistage]

We suck, and that requires a victim. And Burke has been nominated. I maintain that in the right hands, we are a 10-6 or better team.

We are not 7-7 because of good coaching. We are 7-7 in spite of piss poor coaching.

We have good players that have been doing this for a long time. They know their jobs.

Wide 9. Zone coverage. We have an old guy setting the edge better than the other guys. And he’s a rusher, not known for his run stuffing.

Our guys sometimes look lost. Keep in mind, they’ve been doing this for many years at various levels, with a high degree of success to get where they are today.

They look lost because what they are told to do doesn’t make any sense.

Coaching. Scheme. Not working

 

[mmikel30]

Giving Burke his pink slip seems to be the new cause celebre' around here, and I'm on that bandwagon. Unfortunately, when everyone thinks the same way that means someone isn't thinking.

Let's look at the contributions to our record that Burke has provided:

Week 1-Tennessee...a 7 point win and the defense knocked out the starter and also had 3 INTs.
Week 3 - Oakland...21-17 2 minutes and change, Howard with the INT.
Week 9 - Jets...7 point win, Darnold has 4 INTs.

I'll even go so far as to say that besides the beginning of the Minny game, the defense gave us a chancee to get back into it, but they disintegrated with the rest of the squad.

Is Burke doing a good job...depends on how one looks at it. He fails the "eye test', but if Gase and Tannehill can be given mulligans for not having an o-line, a reliable TE, etc. then Burke should get some of that same consideration for having to deal with DTs who can't collapse a pocket, DEs who can't rush the passer, LBs who can't cover, SS playing FS, FS playing boundary corner.

I don’t think Burke or Gase are great coaches. I’d rather have Darren Rizzi or Dan Campbell or both

 

[Ray R]

Not yet time!

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Pass defense is so inept there seemingly has to be a scapegoat, as mentioned above.

Dolphins are allowing 7.9 YPA for second worst in the league. Contrast that to the teams we are fighting with -- Baltimore 5.7, Tennessee 6.4, Pittsburgh 6.6, Colts 6.9.

No matter which category is chosen to evaluate, it is astonishing that the Dolphins are 7-7 and in playoff contention.

Again, I don't know whether to credit Gase for winning far more games than logical, or to condemn him for putting out a product that is destined to collapse once normalcy shows up.

My inclination is the same as roy_miami's summary in another thread: "Gase needs an elite quarterback and a better defensive coordinator/scheme."

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-yards-per-pass-attempt

 

[DKphin]

Giving Burke his pink slip seems to be the new cause celebre' around here, and I'm on that bandwagon. Unfortunately, when everyone thinks the same way that means someone isn't thinking.

Let's look at the contributions to our record that Burke has provided:

Week 1-Tennessee...a 7 point win and the defense knocked out the starter and also had 3 INTs.
Week 3 - Oakland...21-17 2 minutes and change, Howard with the INT.
Week 9 - Jets...7 point win, Darnold has 4 INTs.

I'll even go so far as to say that besides the beginning of the Minny game, the defense gave us a chancee to get back into it, but they disintegrated with the rest of the squad.

Is Burke doing a good job...depends on how one looks at it. He fails the "eye test', but if Gase and Tannehill can be given mulligans for not having an o-line, a reliable TE, etc. then Burke should get some of that same consideration for having to deal with DTs who can't collapse a pocket, DEs who can't rush the passer, LBs who can't cover, SS playing FS, FS playing boundary corner.

How many more excuses are we going to give Gase, Burke, FO, etc.? Tear it all down and start again. I know it is not what people want to hear, but when you deal with this level of incompetence, it's the only thing to do.

I don’t think Burke or Gase are great coaches. I’d rather have Darren Rizzi or Dan Campbell or both

As mentioned previously, you can not tell me that Dan Campbell is any worse than Gase. I also think Rizzi would be a better HC than Gase.

 

[DuderinoN703]

Time to move on.

 

[Pitbull13]

Giving Burke his pink slip seems to be the new cause celebre' around here, and I'm on that bandwagon. Unfortunately, when everyone thinks the same way that means someone isn't thinking.
Did you watch the Detroit game? How about @ New England? Houston? Buffalo?

Let's look at the contributions to our record that Burke has provided:

Week 1-Tennessee...a 7 point win and the defense knocked out the starter and also had 3 INTs.
Week 3 - Oakland...21-17 2 minutes and change, Howard with the INT.
Week 9 - Jets...7 point win, Darnold has 4 INTs.

I'll even go so far as to say that besides the beginning of the Minny game, the defense gave us a chancee to get back into it, but they disintegrated with the rest of the squad.

Is Burke doing a good job...depends on how one looks at it. He fails the "eye test', but if Gase and Tannehill can be given mulligans for not having an o-line, a reliable TE, etc. then Burke should get some of that same consideration for having to deal with DTs who can't collapse a pocket, DEs who can't rush the passer, LBs who can't cover, SS playing FS, FS playing boundary corner.

 

[Heinegrabber]

Our coaches suck!!!

Watching the game Sunday our DE'S technique are making them a huge liability in the run defense. They do not set the edge. They beeline to the QB every down. They are constantly out of position and using the wrong technique for down and distance. I think that why their numbers are down. They are rushing the passer on every down. It is impossible for tackles to do their jobs when the edges are not set. When the ends are up the field the RB simply picks which side of the guard he wants to cross.

 

[finmann]

How many more excuses are we going to give Gase, Burke, FO, etc.? Tear it all down and start again. I know it is not what people want to hear, but when you deal with this level of incompetency, it's the only thing to do.

As mentioned previously, you can not tell me that Dan Campbell is any worse than Gase. I also think Rizzi would be a better HC than Gase.

DK you better believe that no one wants to hear about tearing it all down and starting over....from the owner on down. This win now mentality has plagued this team for 2 decades and it seems no one has the courage to make that drastic change.

 

[Birdmond]

How many more excuses are we going to give Gase, Burke, FO, etc.? Tear it all down and start again. I know it is not what people want to hear, but when you deal with this level of incompetency, it's the only thing to do.

As mentioned previously, you can not tell me that Dan Campbell is any worse than Gase. I also think Rizzi would be a better HC than Gase.

Dan Campbell was my choice and still is. I like the idea of a former TE as head coach because he knows the passing game and offensive line. Give my Campbell and a DC who is all about the 3-4 and I’ll be happy.

 

[miamiron]

Our defense has a chance to be second
only to that 1-15 season in points allowedoop

That alone should get Burke
his ticket out of South Florida

 

[Dolphins81]

Our defense has a chance to be second
only to that 1-15 season in points allowedoop

That alone should get Burke
his ticket out of South Florida

This! Not even going to waste my life reading an idiotic post giving Burke any ****ing credit. It’s ****ing loser mentality to keep this mother ****er. Do you like being mediocre?

 

[fansinceGWilson]

We suck, and that requires a victim. And Burke has been nominated. I maintain that in the right hands, we are a 10-6 or better team.

We are not 7-7 because of good coaching. We are 7-7 in spite of piss poor coaching.

We have good players that have been doing this for a long time. They know their jobs.

Wide 9. Zone coverage. We have an old guy setting the edge better than the other guys. And he’s a rusher, not known for his run stuffing.

Our guys sometimes look lost. Keep in mind, they’ve been doing this for many years at various levels, with a high degree of success to get where they are today.

They look lost because what they are told to do doesn’t make any sense.

Coaching. Scheme. Not working

Nailed it!!! No, Burke isn't the ONLY reason, and I hate to bash a POV, but where would the D rank with an average or above DC? THAT'S the problem. 2-3 games this year with a decent game plan. Other games he's midget league. Adjustments? Absolutely . . . 3-4 series after fans have figured it out. I'll not waste time on scheme complexity.
Yeah, I'll give the guy props on TOs, WITHOUT a pas rush. And he has a quarter or half when the D plays well. But, when NO DE can set the edge consistently, and when NO DT can defend the run for an entire half, and when the secondary is confused every third play, that's Burke.

 

[gofins60]

The performance of Burke's defense is no different than the performance of Gase's offense. The defense is (or was) #2 in interceptions, and near the top in total takeaways. So, they have a lot of those "highlight reel" plays. The offense is at or near the top of the league in number of big TD plays (50+ yards maybe? More highlight reel plays), and they get the ball back a lot because of the defense's takeaways. According to these positive stats, Miami should be ranked at least in the Top 10, right?

Wrong! Gase's offense is ranked 30th in 3rd down conversions, and probably near the bottom in time of possession and points scored. The defense gives the ball back to the offense, and they usually punt it right back to the opponent. The defense, when they're not intercepting the ball, are giving up chunk plays both on the ground and through the air at an alarming rate. Both the offense and defense are ranked 29th out of 32 teams. The team may look good during one of their highlight reel plays, but during the other 98% of the time they're pathetic. Just because a talented CB like Howard or speedy little guys like Grant and Wilson make big plays now and then doesn't mean that Gase or Burke are doing a good job! Get a real coaching staff in there, and more players will be making big plays!