Did Flores Want to Draft Herbert?

[BahamaFinFan78]

I feel like this has been said so many times, it's accepted as fact but I can't find evidence. Jackson claims in his article that Flores picked every player on that roster. So did he pick Tua and changed his mind later? Is Barry's source wrong?

 

[andyahs]

I feel like this has been said so many times, it's accepted as fact but I can't find evidence. Jackson claims in his article that Flores picked every player on that roster. So did he pick Tua and changed his mind later? Is Barry's source wrong?

Yes. Then he pushed hard for Watson.

 

[Durango2020]

It depends on who you ask at this point. I've heard both versions, not sure which is the correct one.

 

[Marino2.0]

Who cares? Even assuming yes, and that’s a big assumption, it’s not unusual for coaches to not get their way on personnel. It’s the coach’s job to make due. Tua went 14-8 for Flo. Flo lost his job for reasons completely unrelated to Tua.

 

[Ninja Foot]

After hearing what Ross said about the next coach being "who" decides Tua's fate, I believe it was Flo who picked. Perhaps after, Marino, Grier, and Ross voiced their preference was Herbert and then Herbert does what he did last year in the face of Flo's contradiction, made Flo begrudged towards them all. Then the Watson move that didn't happen, that would've saved his job, widened the rift between them all even further.

 

[Kamelion4291]

Flores wanted Tua, but then later set him up to fail, and if some of the rumors are true, actively went out of his way to sabotage him.

I'm amazed he has so many backers.

 

[BahamaFinFan78]

Flores wanted Tua, but then later set him up to fail, and if some of the rumors are true, actively went out of his way to sabotage him.

I'm amazed he has so many backers.

Do we have any evidence of this?

 

[bflat]

Flores wanted Tua, but then later set him up to fail, and if some of the rumors are true, actively went out of his way to sabotage him.

I'm amazed he has so many backers.

And he also wasn’t a good coach. What’s the huge loss here?

 

[srp1979]

Who cares? Even assuming yes, and that’s a big assumption, it’s not unusual for coaches to not get their way on personnel. It’s the coach’s job to make due. Tua went 14-8 for Flo. Flo lost his job for reasons completely unrelated to Tua.

All reports are that he lost his job due to poor relationships and communicating. This is specific to Tua actually, as they had heated arguments after the Titans game and it was rumored that Tua said " You can't f'ing treat people this way". It has also been rumored that he was the one pushing for Watson. He also benched Tua for Fitz and played Jacoby when Tua could have played.

Sounds like he was fired specifically for the way he treated Tua, imo.

 

[Kamelion4291]

Do we have any evidence of this?

Evidence of what? He was actively happy when they drafted him, and it's not like the GM is going to go against the coach's wishes on who he wants at QB.

As for the setting him up to fail, the evidence to that is visible to anybody that has watched the offensive talent and coaching for the past 2 years.

The sabotage part? No hard evidence there, only rumors.

 

[GhostArmOfMarino]

Who cares? Even assuming yes, and that’s a big assumption, it’s not unusual for coaches to not get their way on personnel. It’s the coach’s job to make due. Tua went 14-8 for Flo. Flo lost his job for reasons completely unrelated to Tua.

Okay, I agree that who cares at this point BUT

It would be unusual for a GM to force a QB on a coach. The relationship between a QB and HC is just as important as the talent level of both, generally speaking.

 

[Kamelion4291]

And he also wasn’t a good coach. What’s the huge loss here?

He's a good defensive coordinator, but not a good head coach. People are having a hard time separating the two.

 

[Marino2.0]

All reports are that he lost his job due to poor relationships and communicating. This is specific to Tua actually, as they had heated arguments after the Titans game and it was rumored that Tua said " You can't f'ing treat people this way". It has also been rumored that he was the one pushing for Watson. He also benched Tua for Fitz and played Jacoby when Tua could have played.

Sounds like he was fired specifically for the way he treated Tua, imo.

Not to me. Sounds to me like he was fired because he lost a power struggle with Grier and basically everyone else in the front office disliked him. The guy was a jerk who couldn’t even get along with his own coaching hires.

 

[Austin Tatious]

I was a contrarian on Herbert in the draft process as group think on Finheaven was critical. It has now become revisionist history that it was broadly forecasted here. No. Not at all. Against the grain, I always thought Herbert would be good, and that has been proven now. BUT, Tua can win and win big if you put the right roster around him that complements his style of play.

I would work on giving Tua a smash mouth running attack and a physical football team, but with speed outside. With where we are, this is all eminently do-able. Herbert and Tua can both be successful, with different styles.

 

[Tuaffinity and Beyond]

Who cares? It’s water under the bridge. Also did this need its own thread?