Did Linehan ever have a decent TE in Minny?

[KB21]

Linehan uses what he has. When he was a coordinator in college at Lousiville, he had Ibn Green and Ronnie Ghent at tight end. Both players caught tons of passes in his offense.

 

[ckparrothead]

McMicheal had almost 800 yards in this piece of **** offense. In a real one he could be shooting for 1000 especially considering his #'s were better when Feeley was passing.

I don't necessarily agree with this argument. Tight Ends are like a safety mechanism for struggling quarterbacks. Randy had some great production this year, I would argue, because of the monkey @ss offense he was operating in. When you have a young or a struggling quarterback, and an offense that is willing, they're going to throw to the tight end a lot because having a reliable TE is like a warm blanket for these guys. Just because Linehan is opening things up, that does not mean McMichael will have 1000 yards.

But KB21 is also right, in that Linehan's system does call for a lot of underneath stuff to the tight end, which is opened up by the receivers running so long and deep.

Also, this is a contract year for McMichael. It is the last year of his contract, and he has not shown any willingness to hold out or make a big fuss over a new contract with one year left to go. In fact, he's saying all the right things, but it is my belief that he is doing so in order to get himself a BIG payday when he hits the free agent market. He wants to market himself as a team guy (who won't bytch about his contract one year before it expires, even though he is clearly underpaid, unlike many) and a vocal leader. Now, this year, he's going to want to market himself as a producer too.

Randy McMichael IS the type of player that would have a career year coincidentally in his contract year. That, and Linehan's system using the TE so much in the underneath stuff, should mean that McMichael will have a career year this year.

And all the better. Because, when his contract expires, Saban will slap the franchise tag on McMichael, trade him to a team for a high draft pick, and use that help to help our team in more needed areas. If Linehan has shown anything it is that he can get his offense at high octane with mutton chops at the tight end position. We have other areas where we need premium (especially draft=young=cheap) talent. That offensive tackle class of 2006 is looking awefully good.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

I don't necessarily agree with this argument. Tight Ends are like a safety mechanism for struggling quarterbacks.

You call Culpepper a struggling QB?

Or was 70 catches for 700 yards a farce in Minny.

 

[ckparrothead]

You call Culpepper a struggling QB?

Or was 70 catches for 700 yards a farce in Minny.

No, but as I stated later in my post, Linehan has clearly shown a willingness to get the tight end involved in a lot of the underneath stuff that is opened up by his deep routes.

But it's cool to see that you're incapable of accounting for multiple factors. Way to go.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

No, but as I stated later in my post, Linehan has clearly shown a willingness to get the tight end involved in a lot of the underneath stuff that is opened up by his deep routes.

But it's cool to see that you're incapable of accounting for multiple factors. Way to go.

Tight ends are not like a saftey mechanism for struggeling QBs, not in most offenses. SORRY!

 

[eltos_lightfoot]

Tight ends are not like a saftey mechanism for struggeling QBs, not in most offenses. SORRY!

Actually they are. SORRY!

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

Actually they are. SORRY!

Tony Gonzales, Jeremy Shockey, Randy mcMicheal, Shannon Sharpe
, Kellen WInslow..

^ These guys are Game breakers.. Not saftey mechanisms for struggling QBS!

 

[eltos_lightfoot]

Tony Gonzales, Jeremy Shockey, Randy mcMicheal, Shannon Sharpe
, Kellen WInslow..

^ These guys are Game breakers.. Not saftey mechanisms for struggling QBS!

Oh I must have missed the part where TE's generally run down the middle of the field, which is the easiest area to throw to. I must have also missed the part where Kellen Winslow is a game breaker--oh you must mean his dad.

The sideline patterns run by WR's are the hardest to throw, especially for the Feidlers of the world. The patterns run by TE are usually easier to find and throw to. That is what CK is saying (In my opinion). This is more about what QB's are reading than it is about the individual ability of the TE.

 

[ckparrothead]

I argued with the notion that McMichael's production was hurt by the fact that the offense was disjointed and we had a young and struggling QB in the game.

And I continue to argue against that notion. In a dumbed-down, disjointed offense such as ours, where the QB is inexperienced and OL protection is bad, the tight end's numbers would probably increase as a result of the above-mentioned factors, not decrease.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

I argued with the notion that McMichael's production was hurt by the fact that the offense was disjointed and we had a young and struggling QB in the game.

And I continue to argue against that notion. In a dumbed-down, disjointed offense such as ours, where the QB is inexperienced and OL protection is bad, the tight end's numbers would probably increase as a result of the above-mentioned factors, not decrease.

Well that I agree with.. I would assume seeing an increase in FB receptions as well.

I just feel that there is much more to the TE position than being a saftey mechanism That line of your post stood out to me like a sore thumb.. Althoough he may have been used as a saftey mecanism last season, I feel McMike is an explosive TE that creates huge mismatches and should be utilized as a threat in the phins offense, not just to get the QB out of a jam.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

Oh I must have missed the part where TE's generally run down the middle of the field, which is the easiest area to throw to. I must have also missed the part where Kellen Winslow is a game breaker--oh you must mean his dad.

The sideline patterns run by WR's are the hardest to throw, especially for the Feidlers of the world. The patterns run by TE are usually easier to find and throw to. That is what CK is saying (In my opinion). This is more about what QB's are reading than it is about the individual ability of the TE.

What does it matter what routes the TE's run. Gonzalez, Shockey, Wislow(would have if not for bad luck) creates huge MISMATCHES(sespecially in the endzone) a KEY Strategy used by OC's all overthe league. They are not just saftey mechanisms!

 

[NorFlaFin]

And all the better. Because, when his contract expires, Saban will slap the franchise tag on McMichael, trade him to a team for a high draft pick, and use that help to help our team in more needed areas.

Absolutely...........

 

[phinsforever]

Tony Gonzales, Jeremy Shockey, Randy mcMicheal, Shannon Sharpe
, Kellen WInslow..

Winslow and Mcmichael are game breakers???? Whoa!!!! I think that is a bit of a reach. Mcmiichael is solid. He's a top ten TE, but he is not an elite player. He drops way too many balls and hasn't consistently shown that he can take over a game the way Gonzalez, Gates,Shockey or Heap have in the past.

^ These guys are Game breakers.. Not saftey mechanisms for struggling QBS!

Winslow and Mcmichael are game breakers???? Whoa!!!! I think that is a bit of a reach. Mcmiichael is solid. He's a top ten TE, but he is not an elite player. He drops way too many balls and hasn't consistently shown that he can take over a game the way Gonzalez, Gates,Shockey or Heap have in the past.
And as for Winslow, when did he ever show game breaking ability in the NFL? He MIGHT become a game breaker some day, but the way his career has started so far, I would temper those expectations.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

Winslow and Mcmichael are game breakers???? Whoa!!!! I think that is a bit of a reach. Mcmiichael is solid. He's a top ten TE, but he is not an elite player. He drops way too many balls and hasn't consistently shown that he can take over a game the way Gonzalez, Gates,Shockey or Heap have in the past.
And as for Winslow, when did he ever show game breaking ability in the NFL? He MIGHT become a game breaker some day, but the way his career has started so far, I would temper those expectations.

Alright your opinion on McMike is different than mine but my point(s) are still valid. I agree with you about Winslow. Replace McMike with Bubba Franks in his prime if you want.

 

[phinsforever]

Alright your opinion on McMike is different than mine but my point(s) are still valid. I agree with you about Winslow. Replace McMike with Bubba Franks in his prime if you want.

I guess we just disagree on McMikes talents, but your point about Franks is interesting. I don't think Franks is anyhting special (even in his prime) to be honest. I would describe him as solid, reliable, but not a game breaker. He had monster stats becuse he had the best QB slinging him bullets. Franks never created his own space, he just had to get open (and he would always have a lot of time because crazy legs Favre could buy it) and catch a bullet from Favre.