Do not resign Tua

[13marino13]

McDaniel with Russ or Kirk would be an upgrade for sure. Look at Purdy in 49ers in the same system where Purdy doesnt have to throw in under 2.5 seconds in fear of getting hit

So you're saying it's the offensive line?
Avg time in the pocket from snap to throw/pressure.
Tua 2.1 seconds
Cousins 2.5 seconds
Wilson 2.7 seconds

Wilson is tops on the list and Tua is at the bottom. Do you understand the correlation between time to throw and time given to throw? He gets the ball out fast because he has no choice, the other two QBs are afforded more time and still do not put up the same stats. Perhaps we should look more at the offensive line regarding the lion's share of who is at fault here. Semi-mobile or not, those two would get killed behind this line. Tua is also 10 years younger than both of them.

WIlson has lost a step and he's not getting any younger, have you watched him at all this year? There's a reason he was benched. He's 35 years old, he's not the Russell of 10 years ago. He's not lighting it up and currently has more time in the pocket than does Tua. Putting him behind our line would be a disaster.

Cousins, another 35-year-old who is not a great anticipatory thrower, holds the ball until he sees guys coming open, he'd never thrive behind our line in our system because he simply wouldn't have the time.

Both of these guys will be 36 during next year's season. It boils down to protection, neither of these guys would thrive with less protection than they currently have or in Cousins' case, had. Our o-line for the past decade or two has been and still remains our achilles. This is where we need to focus, not on the QB. We either have good pass blockers or good run blockers and none of them, with the exception of Armstead (who misses too much time), excels at both. It all starts there.

Tua's quick release has only masked the deficiencies in our line.

 

[PhinFan1968]

You wanted to talk about records ... Qb wins are mostly a ridiculous way of judging quarterback play

No, YOU wanted to talk about record, the initial post I replied to, from you was, and I quote, “His record is 11-5.”

And I agree, wins aren’t a QB stat.

 

[PhinFan1968]

I’d like to see any qb with a positive record when their defense gives up 50+….

So they gave up 50+ 12 times? Nice cherry pick.

 

[LargoFin]

Wilson 2.7 seconds

Tua's quick release has only masked the deficiencies in our line.

Lamar has like 8 seconds to throw, that's because he runs. Same for Wilson. Also QBs buy time by moving. OL is not the part of that equation, and in the case of Tua it is not part of the equation.
Tua often does not buy time, it's his game to not stand in the pocket and deliver under duress, but his game is to just get rid of the ball, that's his preference. That's how he plays.
Yes, it's good when it works, but it's also not good when he misses better opportunities by getting rid of the ball too quickly.
In the end, the proof is in scoring. If they score it is fine whatever they do, if they do not score it is not fine.

 

[13marino13]

Okay we can agree to disagree. Kirk's Offenses have been top 10 and Russ has actually played well this year.. I dont count last year. Hackett should not be in the NFL (see: Jets lol)

Your arguments make no sense. Kirk's offenses have been top 10? Do you realize even after today's loss we still have the #1 ranked offense? Russell WIlson played well this season? He just got benched, he couldn't have been doing that well. What are you even talking about? And let's not count last year? Why not? Doesn't support the argument? You're all over the board with this, focus...

 

[13marino13]

Lamar has like 8 seconds to throw, that's because he runs. Same for Wilson. Also QBs buy time by moving. OL is not the part of that equation, and in the case of Tua it is not part of the equation.
Tua often does not buy time, it's his game to not stand in the pocket and deliver under duress, but his game is to just get rid of the ball, that's his preference. That's how he plays.
Yes, it's good when it works, but it's also not good when he misses better opportunities by getting rid of the ball too quickly.
In the end, the proof is in scoring. If they score it is fine whatever they do, if they do not score it is not fine.

Fair point but that's not the type of QB we have. I like the odds of longevity and the reduction of injury risk with a "pocket" passer. Do I wish he could scramble better? Sure, but he's never going to be that type of QB. That is not a strength in his game and we should have known that when we drafted him. I think if he were more confident in his protection, you may see him scramble a bit more, or maybe not.

 

[Bridgeburner]

Can you resign someone else? I thought that was something you had to do yourself.

 

[Miami Michael]

It would not have mattered if Josh Allen was our QB today. Result would have been the same. Defense was bad and offensive line is too injured. If Dan Marino was in his prime and our QB again same result. Marino had hall of famers on the line starting with Dwight Stevenson. We don’t have anyone close to that caliber even Connor Williams was playing great but he wasn’t Dwight. On top of that our linebackers stink which causes so many issue’s in the middle. Then more injuries to Phillips and so on which makes it impossible to compete with the better teams. What’s the commonality with Baltimore and San Fran? Solid offensive lines, solid linebackers. Jackson is better than Purdue of course. Both D lines are also solid. Ours was until Phillips and now Chubb is hurt.

 

[MARINO1384]

So they gave up 50+ 12 times? Nice cherry pick.

Only you that’s cherry picking bud. He’s 34-18 as a starter. Most people say winning isn’t a qb stat but if you’re claiming it is let’s not cherry pick certain ones like you are doing then cry about cherry picking….

It’s a team game, you win as one and lose as one. Take a look around the league, there’s zero qbs currently doing what you are expecting.

 

[MARINO1384]

Lamar has like 8 seconds to throw, that's because he runs. Same for Wilson. Also QBs buy time by moving. OL is not the part of that equation, and in the case of Tua it is not part of the equation.
Tua often does not buy time, it's his game to not stand in the pocket and deliver under duress, but his game is to just get rid of the ball, that's his preference. That's how he plays.
Yes, it's good when it works, but it's also not good when he misses better opportunities by getting rid of the ball too quickly.
In the end, the proof is in scoring. If they score it is fine whatever they do, if they do not score it is not fine.

Yeah we must of watched different games. I didn’t see Lamar scrambling to make plays. He sat in the pocket untouched just about all game. Maybe did a side step here and there but nothing Tua couldn’t do. We got almost no pressure and felt like we didn’t blitz all game. I’ve certainly seen Lamar do what you’re describing but that wasn’t the case today. He had all day.

 

[Miami Michael]

Like I said our linebackers are terrible.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Maybe we can get tanny back.

I thought this was great last week. Titans fans are being treated to the same movie we watched for 7 years:

 

[OGMarinofan]

I wouldn’t sign Tua to a mega deal. I would tag and trade him. There are tons of teams that would trade for him.

I would also fire McD and bring in someone who could actually build a physical team

 

[Ryan1973]

OP is a dunce cap. Talking about Russell Wilson, the same QB Sean Payton is kicking to the curb and eating his dead money lmao.

“Tua can’t beat good teams” He literally beat Baltimore last year lmao. And Buffalo.

Defense gave up 56 points. There was no complimentary football at all today. It’s not one individual. Stop being idiots.

It’s been proven that Tua struggles against good teams and physical defenses. Ya their defense stunk against the Ravens but Tua didn’t exactly play well either. Plus he was bad in the Eagles and Chiefs games this year when they only scored 10 offensive points against a bad Eagles defense and 14 points against the Chiefs. Plus they only scored one touchdown last week in their win against the Cowboys. He just hasn’t been good enough on the big stage in big games.

 

[MARINO1384]

It’s been proven that Tua struggles against good teams and physical defenses. Ya their defense stunk against the Ravens but Tua didn’t exactly play well either. Plus he was bad in the Eagles and Chiefs games this year when they only scored 10 offensive points against a bad Eagles defense and 14 points against the Chiefs. Plus they only scored one touchdown last week in their win against the Cowboys. He just hasn’t been good enough on the big stage in big games.

Maybe if our star wideout catches easy passes all those games end up very differently. Had tyreek caught that td it’s an entirely different game. Same with the eagles easy td and the tyreek fumble cost us atleast 3 and gave them 7 a 10 point swing which is literally the game. Tyreek also should have had a 90 yard td vs the cowboys. Those 4 plays happen or don’t happen and there’s a very different outlook on how he’s played in those games.