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Do not resign Tua

OttawaFinsUp said:
Do you know that footballs teams have defences too?
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Tua runs the offense, no? His job is to put points on the board. Historically, and recently, he doesnt do that. He doesn't score points as the leader of the offense.
 
BTW Tua single-handedly brought the Dolphins back against the Ravens the last two years so he is 2-1 against the Ravens. He had two dropped Tds yesterday or he would have had 4 tds yesterday. But let us get rid of him—complete stupidity.
 
mandal24 said:
Tua runs the offense, no? His job is to put points on the board. Historically, and recently, he doesnt do that. He doesn't score points as the leader of the offense.
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You win and lose as a team. Offence, defence and special teams. Sometimes one of those units can do it all on their own. Usually you need them all to contribute. Betting that one can always do it for you will lead to decades of frustration. Ask people from the Marino years how they know.
 
I'm not on board with replacing Tua, but is it possible he the porous O lines his first couple of years sped up his internal clock? It doesn't make sense to see him go through progressions at times and then others just get super happy feet when he actually has time back there. Its like he panics if he has more than 2.5 seconds to throw and is just waiting for disaster. Usually watching a QB when they have time in the pocket your getting carved up (like us yesterday) but watching Tua its almost like the opposite. I just wonder if its a little bit of early career David Carr syndrome
 
dreamblk said:
Brock Purdy had 5 Ints against the same defense a week ago. So your point is valid. Ravens are playing well.
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Tua is clearly better than Brock but neither are good enough to win a Super Bowl. I’d trade Tua, some sucker would pay a kings ransom. To compete in this league you need a QB that can take the game over. That’s not Tua, he folds in big moments.

What’s the excuse going to be next week pr in 2 weeks? Some here turn **** to roses. It’s just ****! Tua will look horrible vs the Bills and then again in the first round.
 
Avalanche of Wins said:
I'm not on board with replacing Tua, but is it possible he the porous O lines his first couple of years sped up his internal clock? It doesn't make sense to see him go through progressions at times and then others just get super happy feet when he actually has time back there. Its like he panics if he has more than 2.5 seconds to throw and is just waiting for disaster. Usually watching a QB when they have time in the pocket your getting carved up (like us yesterday) but watching Tua its almost like the opposite. I just wonder if its a little bit of early career David Carr syndrome
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That’s definitely possible. He isn’t good at all off script, he panics. But on the other side Lamar was ****ing calm. Lamar has really grown into a complete weapon at QB.
 
Avalanche of Wins said:
I'm not on board with replacing Tua, but is it possible he the porous O lines his first couple of years sped up his internal clock? It doesn't make sense to see him go through progressions at times and then others just get super happy feet when he actually has time back there. Its like he panics if he has more than 2.5 seconds to throw and is just waiting for disaster. Usually watching a QB when they have time in the pocket your getting carved up (like us yesterday) but watching Tua its almost like the opposite. I just wonder if its a little bit of early career David Carr syndrome
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I think there is something to this. I think he often does have more time than he realizes and tends to rush stuff or try to force it into Hill when waiting a half second longer would allow something to open up.

I get it given the concussion history but it’s something he should work on. I thought he was better earlier in the year but he seems to be getting happy feet again at some inopportune times. Could be nerves too.
 
He's just not nimble. Like the dude is running in quicksand.
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Does it get any simpler than this when it comes to Tua? The consequences from those traits, of not being able to extend plays, improvise, run, etc - it is what it is.. but certainly seems obvious with a decent level of overal fandom level objectivity, that he's not top level.

It seems so evident, both his gifts and limitations-- and when you add those up (unless he shows differently and somehow changes) he's a decent QB but can't really be elite. It's like wanting someone whose a 30HR 100 RBI hitter to be 50 and 130 guy ... it's just not what they are capable of.

On the right team, or in the right season, it's easy for me to see him (like a Gannon) win a superbowl as a piece of the puzzle.

I think people are dreaming to think he's elite (again, thus far at minimum).
 
OGMarinofan said:
Tua is clearly better than Brock but neither are good enough to win a Super Bowl. I’d trade Tua, some sucker would pay a kings ransom. To compete in this league you need a QB that can take the game over. That’s not Tua, he folds in big moments.

What’s the excuse going to be next week pr in 2 weeks? Some here turn **** to roses. It’s just ****! Tua will look horrible vs the Bills and then again in the first round.
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What makes you think that, considering not one team showed interest in Lamar Jackson a prior NFL MVP. It seems to me that there are two extremes when it come to Tua the ones who justify all his deficiencies/limitations, and the ones that refuse see any of his promising strides and abilities, yet they give no scenarios in which make sense in moving on from him. Damn it's like fantasy football or Madden dealing with fans, it's worse then talking the NFL with them then it is with the high school kids I Coach.
 
OGMarinofan said:
Tua is clearly better than Brock but neither are good enough to win a Super Bowl. I’d trade Tua, some sucker would pay a kings ransom. To compete in this league you need a QB that can take the game over. That’s not Tua, he folds in big moments.

What’s the excuse going to be next week pr in 2 weeks? Some here turn **** to roses. It’s just ****! Tua will look horrible vs the Bills and then again in the first round.
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Nobody would pay a kings ransom for Tua knowing his contract situation....
 
mandal24 said:
You make excellent points. Our defense ****ing sucks when it matters but we scored 20 points against the Bills, 19 vs the Ravens, 17 vs the Eagles. You can't ignore that.

This is a QB-driven league. You have a QB, a real-legit one, you got a shot, if you don't, you're basically the Bucs.. a mediocre team with a mediocre QB who has bounced around the league.

I'll copy and paste from a previous post I just made:

Burrow turned the Bengals franchise around (do you rememebr mediocre marvin lewis running that show?)
Mahomes turned his franchise around
Brady turned the Bucs around
Peyton turned the Broncos around (although to be fair, he was meh the year they actually won the super bowl)
Newton turned the Panthers around
Wilson turned the Seahawks around
Matt Ryan turned the Falcons around
Brees turned the Saints around

I can go on and on. Shitty team gets a premier QB and EVERYTHING changes.
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Burrow hasn't lead his team to a SB win. Going to a SB and losing is not an accomplishment otherwise I'm sure the Bills and their fans are really content. They have as many SB wins as they did with Marvin Lewis. The Bengals need to put a better team around him or he's going to be ringless like every other Bengal QB.

Andy Reid turned that franchise around or at least deserves as much credit as Mahomes. He drafted and molded Mahomes and was going to the playoffs with Alex Smith before Mahomes got there.

The defense won the Broncos that SB. Peyton was toast. Funny enough Manning was labeled as a guy who couldn't win the big game. Couldn't beat Florida, couldn't win in the playoffs, classic choke artist. I remember when he lost 41-0 vs the Jets in the playoffs. Manning the choke artist, they said he's not good enough to win, they said he can't play off-script. Didnt win his first playoff game until age 27.

Newton 10 years with the Panthers and 4 playoff trips and 3-4 in the playoffs. Didnt win his 1st playoff game until year 4 of his career. The year they went to the SB with Newton's they had a top 10 defense and top 2 run game. He had 1 single magical elite season.

Wilson was not the reason for Seattle's success they had an all-time great defense which carried the team to a SB win. You know the defense that held the Broncos all-time great offense lead by Manning to just 8 points. Without a top 5 defense? Wilson has 1 playoff win to his name. Pete Carrol turned the Seahawks around. Carrol at least has made it to the playoffs without Wilson while Wilson hasn't done diddly squat without Carroll, that defense , and run game.

Matt Ryan made the playoffs 6 times in 14 years as a Falcon record (4-6). For reference Michael Vick in 6 years with the Falcons has half as many playoff wins as Ryan in 14 years with the Falcons. Ryan also didn't win his 1st playoff game until age 27 and is part of the biggest choke job in NFL history.

Brees didn't win his 1st playoff game until age 27. 9-9 playoff record missed the playoff 6 times during his prime. On a better team, he has at least 1-2 more SB appearances.

Getting a premier QB is just one piece of the puzzle. Maybe the most important piece but if you don't build the team around him then all you do is end up with frustration and disappointment. See Dan Marino.
 
superphin said:
Burrow hasn't lead his team to a SB win. Going to a SB and losing is not an accomplishment otherwise I'm sure the Bills and their fans are really content. They have as many SB wins as they did with Marvin Lewis. The Bengals need to put a better team around him or he's going to be ringless like every other Bengal QB.

Andy Reid turned that franchise around or at least deserves as much credit as Mahomes. He drafted and molded Mahomes and was going to the playoffs with Alex Smith before Mahomes got there.

The defense won the Broncos that SB. Peyton was toast. Funny enough Manning was labeled as a guy who couldn't win the big game. Couldn't beat Florida, couldn't win in the playoffs, classic choke artist. I remember when he lost 41-0 vs the Jets in the playoffs. Manning the choke artist, they said he's not good enough to win, they said he can't play off-script. Didnt win his first playoff game until age 27.

Newton 10 years with the Panthers and 4 playoff trips and 3-4 in the playoffs. Didnt win his 1st playoff game until year 4 of his career. The year they went to the SB with Newton's they had a top 10 defense and top 2 run game. He had 1 single magical elite season.

Wilson was not the reason for Seattle's success they had an all-time great defense which carried the team to a SB win. You know the defense that held the Broncos all-time great offense lead by Manning to just 8 points. Without a top 5 defense? Wilson has 1 playoff win to his name. Pete Carrol turned the Seahawks around. Carrol at least has made it to the playoffs without Wilson while Wilson hasn't done diddly squat without Carroll, that defense , and run game.

Matt Ryan made the playoffs 6 times in 14 years as a Falcon record (4-6). For reference Michael Vick in 6 years with the Falcons has half as many playoff wins as Ryan in 14 years with the Falcons. Ryan also didn't win his 1st playoff game until age 27 and is part of the biggest choke job in NFL history.

Brees didn't win his 1st playoff game until age 27. 9-9 playoff record missed the playoff 6 times during his prime. On a better team, he has at least 1-2 more SB appearances.

Getting a premier QB is just one piece of the puzzle. Maybe the most important piece but if you don't build the team around him then all you do is end up with frustration and disappointment. See Dan Marino.
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Better man than I. I looked at his list and just laughed at how easy it would be to tear that apart, but it's a waste of time the way the goalposts are moving in this thread. I'm surprised some of you guys like @NBP81 are even bothering with this nonsense.
 
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