Do not resign Tua

[mandal24]

Ya because the Bengals who's defense let up almost zero points to opponents in the second half of games the year of thier superbowl run 11 game win streak and the year of the championship appearance had everything to do with Joe Burrow buddy. Ya they were banging out 30 points a game...nope. only 3 teams let up less points that year, Jets, ravens and Bills. My best friend is the biggest bengals Homer in the world you picked the wrong team to hitch your argument to that D took them just as much if not more both years. Stafford got onto a team that had the # defense that year. What happened to their record last year when thier D sucked oh and after Andrew Whitworth retired and they couldn't run the ball for ****. Stafford was traded to a superbowl ready team also and played like **** btw, they won in spite of him and well those mysterious PI calls. (NFL is rigged) So to your point its OK to have a shitty win% as a QB? Tuas about to be a top 3 paid QB if not the top paid. So get ready to swallow it and I hope it leaves a frog in your throat with no drinks near by.

dude give it a rest. QBs run this league. It's not a debate lol

Burrow turned the Bengals franchise around (do you rememebr mediocre marvin lewis running that show?)
Mahomes turned his franchise around
Brady turned the Bucs around
Peyton turned the Broncos around (although to be fair, he was meh the year they actually won the super bowl)
Newton turned the Panthers around
Wilson turned the Seahawks around
Matt Ryan turned the Falcons around
Brees turned the Saints around

I can go on and on. Shitty team gets a premier QB and EVERYTHING changes.

 

[mandal24]

I’m going to take this in a different direction. I’m going to say that Tua has yet to play in a BIG game for the Dolphins.

He was out of last year’s playoffs due to injury and everything up until this point in the regular season doesn’t mean **** with respect to where we are now.

Big game number one for Tua is Sunday against Buffalo.

Big game number two is our first playoff matchup.

LFG Tua!

I kind of like this opportunistic mentality. I'll roll with it.

Eagles, Bills, Ravens.. those weren't big games?

 

[E30M3]

I’m going to take this in a different direction. I’m going to say that Tua has yet to play in a BIG game for the Dolphins.

He was out of last year’s playoffs due to injury and everything up until this point in the regular season doesn’t mean **** with respect to where we are now.

Big game number one for Tua is Sunday against Buffalo.

Big game number two is our first playoff matchup.

LFG Tua!

Yesterday wasn't a big game? Hrm, interesting.

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

lmaoo this is why stats are sooooo stupid

You mean to tell me you'd rather have Tua post 2.5 seconds over Mahomes?! Mahomes, extending plays is literally what makes him so damn great. Jeez, you all need to actually watch the games

I've watched Mahomes this year every week. Looks to be struggling mightly because his first reads not open or his second or his third and welll....boy is he struggling even with the #2 oline in the NFL. Tua throws on his first read because he can, because he is the most successful qb in the NFL by a whopping 12% when throwing to his first read and he has also "omg let me counter the trailer park narrative" #1 in progression to his 3rd read. Wow that must suck being so fast at reading a D and getting the ball out so you don't have to play to your weaknesses (scrambling) or get hit and a concussion. He's also FIRST in pocket awareness. Now the only STUPUD person here as much as I enjoy saying that because I do is you and your merry band of Tua haters. Oh and BTW the team has a 42% win rate without Tua.

 

[superphin]

This Dolphins team has absolutely nothing to do with prior Dolphins teams. It's a silly argument. The Patriots were a joke in the 90s until they got Bledsoe>Brady, Chiefs were meh until they got Mahomes. The most mediocre team of my lifetime, the Bengals... got Burrow and bam, in the SB in no time.

Quarterbacking (is that a word?) is the hardest position in all of sports bc one position can literally change a franchise. In my respectful, humble opinion., Tua is not capable of being that change. And no, I am not trying to insult your child.

Tua gets paid a lot of money to perform and he underperforms when it matters. It is just objectively true. It absolutely sucks to admit. I hate it. I hope Sunday he throws for 500 yards and 6 TDs and Finheaven laughs in my face. But realistically superphin, you think that's going to happen? Is Tua gonna lead us to a W? History has shown us he cannot.

The problem with your opinion is that it puts the blame squarely on 1 guy when a football team is made up of 53 players and however many people on the coaching staff. No one guy is going to carry 100 people on his back and the team is not going to fail because of 1 guy. Tua is not the only player on this team who plays below his standards when facing tougher competition. Who on this defense or team steps up vs the elite competition? There are a lot of guys who are getting paid significantly more than Tua who underperform yet all you do is point the finger at Tua. This is not a Tua issue it's a team issue top to bottom.

The problem is not you being critical of Tua the problem is Tua seems to be the only player you are critical of when plenty of others deserve their share of the blame. If the Dolphins cut Tua in the off-season I wouldn't give 2 squirts of ****, I am a fan of the Dolphins and I want the Dolphins to win a SB if its with Tua awesome if its without Tua still equally as awesome.

Could Tua throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs? Yes, I believe he is capable of that. Do I realistically think he will of course not because its only been done twice in the last 24 years so clearly its no easy feat.

 

[utahphinsfan]

I’m not a Tua fan at all! So get that straight!

Really? Hadn't noticed. /s?

 

[TheMageGandalf]

The problem with your opinion is that it puts the blame squarely on 1 guy when a football team is made up of 53 players and however many people on the coaching staff. No one guy is going to carry 100 people on his back and the team is not going to fail because of 1 guy. Tua is not the only player on this team who plays below his standards when facing tougher competition. Who on this defense or team steps up vs the elite competition? There are a lot of guys who are getting paid significantly more than Tua who underperform yet all you do is point the finger at Tua. This is not a Tua issue it's a team issue top to bottom.

The problem is not you being critical of Tua the problem is Tua seems to be the only player you are critical of when plenty of others deserve their share of the blame. If the Dolphins cut Tua in the off-season I wouldn't give 2 squirts of ****, I am a fan of the Dolphins and I want the Dolphins to win a SB if its with Tua awesome if its without Tua still equally as awesome.

Could Tua throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs? Yes, I believe he is capable of that. Do I realistically think he will of course not because its only been done twice in the last 24 years so clearly its no easy feat.

That's a slam dunk post bro excellent.

Even if you entertain not extending him, whom exactly do we bring in that will produce the same, and what you'd hope for, better?

Or is this thread basically saying dump him and then go on the awesome merry go round we had since 2000 trying to find Dan's replacement.

I'm OK with bringing in competition, but you don't let go of the NFLs leader in passing without having a replacement or else you back to Jay Fiedler, Brian Griese, John Beck, Cleo Lemon, Joey Harrington, Chad Henne, etc etc etc ad nauseum...AGAIN

 

[mandal24]

I've watched Mahomes this year every week. Looks to be struggling mightly because his first reads not open or his second or his third and welll....boy is he struggling even with the #2 oline in the NFL. Tua throws on his first read because he can, because he is the most successful qb in the NFL by a whopping 12% when throwing to his first read and he has also "omg let me counter the trailer park narrative" #1 in progression to his 3rd read. Wow that must suck being so fast at reading a D and getting the ball out so you don't have to play to your weaknesses (scrambling) or get hit and a concussion. He's also FIRST in pocket awareness. Now the only STUPUD person here as much as I enjoy saying that because I do is you and your merry band of Tua haters. Oh and BTW the team has a 42% win rate without Tua.

I was with you until the "Stupid" comment. It's perfectly okay to have diverse opinions. Why is one stupid for having a different opinion than you? I actually agree that Mahomes is having a down year (mostly bc he has the worst ****ing receivers in the leauge) but you called me stupid, so I'll call you a dipshit.. Mahomes ****ing beat us lol and Mahomes outplayed Tua so kindly stfu.

If you get butthurt when someone criticizes Tua as if they're criticizing your child, you really need to rethink things. It's just a game. Just chill, we're just having a discussion

 

[OttawaFinsUp]

Yesterday wasn't a big game? Hrm, interesting.

Nowhere near as big as Sunday. The pressure has gone up ten fold and there is no more runway left to claim the 2 spot. It’s go time.

 

[bradmcnutt13]

A 36 year old QB in 2024 is nothing too crazy. We currently have a QB who has gotten hurt every year of his professional and collegiate career.... who just got hurt sliding... on his own... who cant run a QB sneak in fear of hurting himself.

Looking at stats vs another guys stats is silly. How do these players play in big time games is all that matters and we know, objectively, without debate.. Tua, in big time games is bad. Bottom line, he stinks. He'll never lead a team on his back (to be fair, he did it twice in his career .. cardinals and ravens last year... both middle of the pack teams)

Its a little crazy when you throw in the one guy has a torn achilles. And its not something you really want to be investing in. Its a bell curve after all. Tua is entering his peak playing years and wilson and cousins are exiting theirs.

And I already admitted that Tua hasn't been that good in big games. But you not very convincing that those other two guys are an improvement considering they're on the tail ends of their careers. Cousins has a 93.7 rating 1047 yards, 5 tds and 1 int in 5 playoffs game. That's right about where Tua was at this year against the chiefs, eagles and bills this year and he was certainly better than that against the cowboys last week. And once again, Tua is just gonna continue to improve as he enters his prime years. At best, its a coin flip so I'm investing in the guy that has 10 years left in the league vs 2 or 3.

 

[mandal24]

The problem with your opinion is that it puts the blame squarely on 1 guy when a football team is made up of 53 players and however many people on the coaching staff. No one guy is going to carry 100 people on his back and the team is not going to fail because of 1 guy. Tua is not the only player on this team who plays below his standards when facing tougher competition. Who on this defense or team steps up vs the elite competition? There are a lot of guys who are getting paid significantly more than Tua who underperform yet all you do is point the finger at Tua. This is not a Tua issue it's a team issue top to bottom.

The problem is not you being critical of Tua the problem is Tua seems to be the only player you are critical of when plenty of others deserve their share of the blame. If the Dolphins cut Tua in the off-season I wouldn't give 2 squirts of ****, I am a fan of the Dolphins and I want the Dolphins to win a SB if its with Tua awesome if its without Tua still equally as awesome.

Could Tua throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs? Yes, I believe he is capable of that. Do I realistically think he will of course not because its only been done twice in the last 24 years so clearly its no easy feat.

You make excellent points. Our defense ****ing sucks when it matters but we scored 20 points against the Bills, 19 vs the Ravens, 17 vs the Eagles. You can't ignore that.

This is a QB-driven league. You have a QB, a real-legit one, you got a shot, if you don't, you're basically the Bucs.. a mediocre team with a mediocre QB who has bounced around the league.

I'll copy and paste from a previous post I just made:

Burrow turned the Bengals franchise around (do you rememebr mediocre marvin lewis running that show?)
Mahomes turned his franchise around
Brady turned the Bucs around
Peyton turned the Broncos around (although to be fair, he was meh the year they actually won the super bowl)
Newton turned the Panthers around
Wilson turned the Seahawks around
Matt Ryan turned the Falcons around
Brees turned the Saints around

I can go on and on. Shitty team gets a premier QB and EVERYTHING changes.

 

[BEANTOWNFINFAN]

I think you have to hold your nose and absolutely re-sign him to a contract that he probably doesn't deserve but in reality 95% of the QB's don't deserve the contracts they have so Tua will be no different. No way you let him go and roll the dice you just have to understand what his limitations are and work around it.... which by the way I think they have done a pretty decent job of. I'm not a Tua lover or hater and as long as the team plays to his strengths they can make it work as long as they have the pieces around him.

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

dude give it a rest. QBs run this league. It's not a debate lol

Burrow turned the Bengals franchise around (do you rememebr mediocre marvin lewis running that show?)
Mahomes turned his franchise around
Brady turned the Bucs around
Peyton turned the Broncos around (although to be fair, he was meh the year they actually won the super bowl)
Newton turned the Panthers around
Wilson turned the Seahawks around
Matt Ryan turned the Falcons around
Brees turned the Saints around

I can go on and on. Shitty team gets a premier QB and EVERYTHING changes.

To the no Burrows bengals suck point earlier the Dolphins without Tua fall from 65% to 42% win rate. Now that's cleared up. Let's move on.
Andy Reid turned that franchise around well before mahomes arrived.
Brady "i live in tampa" came to a team with ballers on it they needed anyone who didn't throw 4 interceptions a game. Seriously Jamis Winston sux.
Cam I wanted to draft loved his college film but let's not forget that running back tandem and Steve Smith, Greg Olsen.
Wilson, I was pounding the ****ing table screaming in olive garden during the draft. But.....uh eh. Pete carrots lookin pretty smart and about to make the playoffs with Geno ****ing Smith.
Matty ice was hated by falcon fans for years on end for not being able to get them to a superbowl with the enormous amount of talent on offense so I'm not sure where your going with that.
Brees was kicked out of San Diego.....kicked...punted goodbye pack your **** GTFO why you still here at midnight and went to the saints and was perfect for Sean Peyton. Now who the **** is TUA compared to 100,000 times since the draft. I give ya 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count. Let's stick with the Saints since things are.....simar
2006 brees/peyton bounced 1st round of playoffs
2007 no playoffs....oops
2008 no playoffs man things look terrible they shouldn't resign brees...no way chargers we're right.
2009 superbowl.
2010 Saints get bounced by Seattle 1st round who had a losing record.....ya we all remember that Marshon lynch run.
Ya ima stick with Tua and McDaniels, shore up my oline and get some pash rush depth and some linebackers. Like my chances. Oh and ask Tua to not press for the big play on 3 deep shell defenses.

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

The problem with your opinion is that it puts the blame squarely on 1 guy when a football team is made up of 53 players and however many people on the coaching staff. No one guy is going to carry 100 people on his back and the team is not going to fail because of 1 guy. Tua is not the only player on this team who plays below his standards when facing tougher competition. Who on this defense or team steps up vs the elite competition? There are a lot of guys who are getting paid significantly more than Tua who underperform yet all you do is point the finger at Tua. This is not a Tua issue it's a team issue top to bottom.

The problem is not you being critical of Tua the problem is Tua seems to be the only player you are critical of when plenty of others deserve their share of the blame. If the Dolphins cut Tua in the off-season I wouldn't give 2 squirts of ****, I am a fan of the Dolphins and I want the Dolphins to win a SB if its with Tua awesome if its without Tua still equally as awesome.

Could Tua throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs? Yes, I believe he is capable of that. Do I realistically think he will of course not because its only been done twice in the last 24 years so clearly its no easy feat.

Ya because asking Duke Riley to cover Justin out of the backfield doesn't deserve criticism...that's tuas fault. Your on point bro please keep posting.

 

[mandal24]

That's a slam dunk post bro excellent.

Even if you entertain not extending him, whom exactly do we bring in that will produce the same, and what you'd hope for, better?

Or is this thread basically saying dump him and then go on the awesome merry go round we had since 2000 trying to find Dan's replacement.

I'm OK with bringing in competition, but you don't let go of the NFLs leader in passing without having a replacement or else you back to Jay Fiedler, Brian Griese, John Beck, Cleo Lemon, Joey Harrington, Chad Henne, etc etc etc ad nauseum...AGAIN

I mean the 49ers, our best comp (offensively speaking) have MR irrelevant running the show.. Look in the draft... to a guy who can take a hit, run a qb sneak for gods sake, move with his legs... This offense is extremely QB friendly, just need a cerebral type guy. I just want a QB who doesnt freak the **** out when the pocket collapse. I want a QB who can get OUTSIDE the pocket for once and make a play. Tua will never be that guy and the great teams know that