do we go back to a '72 game plan?

[adamprez2003]

Thought this was an interesting article. I don't agree with everything in it. I won't say what parts, I'll leave that for you to determine. One of the things I do agree with to a point is the writers reference to the identity of the team and that we are closer to Shula's '72 Dolphin offense than Shula's '84 offense. Tell me what you think

http://www.phins.com/chris/column_110705.html

 

[HardHittin]

i'm not sure what you disagree with, i don't care if the falcons were stuffing 10 damn guys in the box...
you put the ball in one of the rb's hands...i mean honestly??
that's wanny playcalling guy...we signed up for better than that...maybe ol' scotty would have called that in minnesota with 2 pro bowlers at qb and wr, but we are talking gus here guys...mr. average joe, mr. i don't make the big play...gimme a break...the fact is, the ball should have been ran,
don't be suprised that if scott linehan is outcoached again this week, that saban takes over the offensive playcalling...
ala what jim fassel did when he turned the giants around...and what mike sherman did last year to lead green bay to the playoffs...
i don't care how great linehan is supposed to be, i still feel way more comfortable with nick calling the plays

 

[adamprez2003]

I am definitely of the opinion that Gus has proven that he doesnt have the ability to throw and should be limited in his attempts as much as possible. We have 2 excellent running backs and should go to the 72 approach of here we are try to stop us with Gus periodically being allowed to launch one deep just to keep the defenses honest. If I dont see another reverse this season I'll be a happy man. That Spurrier crap has to go. Once every couple of games fine. Twice a game every game is amateur hour. Let's just run. Hell, have our offensive linemen tell the defense we're running before we do. Yeah it'll be great to have a wide open offense but we don't have the QB for that. Let's put the 21st century offense back on the shelf until 2006 and pull out of the mothballs ol' reliable runrunrun. that's what we're built for thats who we are

 

[jlfin]

You play to teams' strengths. That's what Shula did and why he was the best ever. He was able to adapt. Right now we don't have the talent at QB to win a shootout. Have to run the ball and pick and choose when to throw.

 

[BlueFin]

i'm not sure what you disagree with, i don't care if the falcons were stuffing 10 damn guys in the box...
you put the ball in one of the rb's hands...i mean honestly??
that's wanny playcalling guy...we signed up for better than that...maybe ol' scotty would have called that in minnesota with 2 pro bowlers at qb and wr, but we are talking gus here guys...mr. average joe, mr. i don't make the big play...gimme a break...the fact is, the ball should have been ran,
don't be suprised that if scott linehan is outcoached again this week, that saban takes over the offensive playcalling...
ala what jim fassel did when he turned the giants around...and what mike sherman did last year to lead green bay to the playoffs...
i don't care how great linehan is supposed to be, i still feel way more comfortable with nick calling the plays

We were behind the whole game, its a little hard to go conservative when you are always behind.

Some of you guys kill me, if they had run it(the obvious playcall, and the one the defense would have been expecting) and it had been stuffed many of you would have criticized the unimaginative playcalling.

We have needed and still need an NFL Quarterback, plain and simple, regardless of the play called no QB should throw into double coverage.

 

[G-Force]

We may have been behind the whole game by a insurmountable 7 points but running was the only way we were moving. If we don't run we won't win especially if the coaches are scared of putting in a unproven qb in place of a loser that is in a slump and has no upside.

 

[G-Force]

And whats up with this 10 guys in a box crap? Ricky faced that for years and still put up his 1,000 and now we have two franchise runningbacks that keep getting better every week. I say let them put 10 in the box and try to stop the best tandem in the league it is our only chance of success as things are looking.

 

[BlueFin]

We may have been behind the whole game by a insurmountable 7 points but running was the only way we were moving. If we don't run we won't win especially if the coaches are scared of putting in a unproven qb in place of a loser that is in a slump and has no upside.

No, if Gus would have executed we would have won.

Vick was hitting 71% of his passes, he was on fire, we weren't going to beat them playing conservatively., our only touchdown came on Ricky's run which was a big play that was set up by two passes completed from Frerotte to Chambers.

 

[G-Force]

No, if Gus would have executed we would have won.

Vick was hitting 71% of his passes, he was on fire, we weren't going to beat them playing conservatively., our only touchdown came on Ricky's run which was a big play that was set up by two passes completed from Frerotte to Chambers.

Gus's passes isn't why R&R's avg. is over 5 ypc. In the last couple of games I have seen alot of passes on 2nd and 2, 2nd and 3, 3rd and 2 and that is just terrible playcalling and Gus's passing is as bad as the playcalling in most cases. Is it conservative when it's 1st and goal at the 8 and you give the ball to R&R at least twice while taking time off the clock since Vick was on fire? Some may call it conservative but I would take that over losing anyday.

 

[BlueFin]

Gus's passes isn't why R&R's avg. is over 5 ypc. In the last couple of games I have seen alot of passes on 2nd and 2, 2nd and 3, 3rd and 2 and that is just terrible playcalling and Gus's passing is as bad as the playcalling in most cases. Is it conservative when it's 1st and goal at the 8 and you give the ball to R&R at least twice while taking time off the clock since Vick was on fire? Some may call it conservative but I would take that over losing anyday.

Thats not what I said, I said our only touchdown(a long run/big play) was setup by two successful pass plays that preceded it.

If you think our O-line is good enough to go to a 1972 style run dominated offense I would say you are wrong, that O-kine boasted two hall of famers and a third who should be.

Part of why our running game has been working is the fact that we have attacked the field with the passing game as well, our talent is not good enough to stack the playcalling one way or the other too far, for this team to succeed it must mix it up and execute.

 

[LarryFinFan]

i'm not sure what you disagree with, i don't care if the falcons were stuffing 10 damn guys in the box...
you put the ball in one of the rb's hands...i mean honestly??
that's wanny playcalling guy...we signed up for better than that...maybe ol' scotty would have called that in minnesota with 2 pro bowlers at qb and wr, but we are talking gus here guys...mr. average joe, mr. i don't make the big play...gimme a break...the fact is, the ball should have been ran,
don't be suprised that if scott linehan is outcoached again this week, that saban takes over the offensive playcalling...
ala what jim fassel did when he turned the giants around...and what mike sherman did last year to lead green bay to the playoffs...
i don't care how great linehan is supposed to be, i still feel way more comfortable with nick calling the plays

Look, this post just shows your lack of knowledge of the game. In this day of the NFL, you can't just run the ball every down, even if you had Shaun Alexander and Edge in the same backfield. A guy like BB or Nick or most other DC that are worth a salt will figure a way to stop you.

As far as that one call goes, I would have preferred that we run it too, but look at the facts. We had been successful with that exact short slant play at least 3 times in this game and quite a few times in other games. It is arguable Gus' most accurate throw. Our OL, while it has been much more consistent the last few weeks, is still not the Steelers or KC OL. The play was called and Gus SHOULD have thrown the ball away, knowing that it was 4 down territory, I'm sure that is what he was told by Linehan and/or Saban, but he failed in his job once again and threw into triple coverage. Lets get over the coach being the issue here and put the blame where it belongs...Linehan has put us in position to win nearly everyone of the losses we've had, but poor QB play or in a few cases other players failing to execute have negated his offensive play-calling prowess.

 

[G-Force]

Thats not what I said, I said our only touchdown(a long run/big play) was setup by two successful pass plays that preceded it.

If you think our O-line is good enough to go to a 1972 style run dominated offense I would say you are wrong, that O-kine boasted two hall of famers and a third who should be.

Part of why our running game has been working is the fact that we have attacked the field with the passing game as well, our talent is not good enough to stack the playcalling one way or the other too far, for this team to succeed it must mix it up and execute.

It's just my opinion not trying to argue with fellow phinfans this early but our o-line has sucked for a very long time. Ricky led the league behind a bad line and nothing has changed. A great runningback can make a line look good and we have two great backs. I don't think gus's 9 int and 8 fum has cleared the running lanes for R&R any at all. For this team to make the playoffs we have to resort to wanny ball. One more thing gus is the 29th rated passer in the NFL I beleive if you want balance and put the ball in his hands your asking for a top 5 pick.

 

[LarryFinFan]

Oh yea, about the 72 thing...that kind of run game will never happen in this NFL without the threat of a significant passing game. Griese could have thrown more back in the day and the passing game could have carried the Fins if and when we needed in 72. That is not the case this year.

 

[G-Force]

Look, this post just shows your lack of knowledge of the game. In this day of the NFL, you can't just run the ball every down, even if you had Shaun Alexander and Edge in the same backfield. A guy like BB or Nick or most other DC that are worth a salt will figure a way to stop you.

As far as that one call goes, I would have preferred that we run it too, but look at the facts. We had been successful with that exact short slant play at least 3 times in this game and quite a few times in other games. It is arguable Gus' most accurate throw. Our OL, while it has been much more consistent the last few weeks, is still not the Steelers or KC OL. The play was called and Gus SHOULD have thrown the ball away, knowing that it was 4 down territory, I'm sure that is what he was told by Linehan and/or Saban, but he failed in his job once again and threw into triple coverage. Lets get over the coach being the issue here and put the blame where it belongs...Linehan has put us in position to win nearly everyone of the losses we've had, but poor QB play or in a few cases other players failing to execute have negated his offensive play-calling prowess.

How many 2nd and 3rd and shorts has loser Ferrotte thrown a terrible pass even on the slant routes you say are effective? Our passing sucks and our coaches has no balls and play a lousey qb and whine for us not to boo. Their is a reason ferrotte and linehan get trashed and until they prove otherwise it is rightfully so. Ferrotte is linehans boy and linehan should ask for a change if his boy has learned nothing from him in their time together. Linehan has made terrible playcalls especially in short yardage situations.

 

[cnc66]

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Originally Posted by G-Force
We may have been behind the whole game by a insurmountable 7 points but running was the only way we were moving. If we don't run we won't win especially if the coaches are scared of putting in a unproven qb in place of a loser that is in a slump and has no upside

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well said G-force, the "behind" stuff doesn't apply when it is only one score...to me "behind" as in change your gameplan behind, is two or more scores with limited time.

Bluefin;

No, if Gus would have executed we would have won.

well, that is correct and I really wish he would begin to execute better because we would be unstoppable, he didn't, we lost. This was the coaches fault for not playing the odds better. I understand that if this stuff was actually executed we would have everyone on their heels, but I feel this was way past the point of playing cute. Sabans pep talk about being physical, relentless, and dominating are pretty hollow when he doesn't chose that course of action, especially when it was so obviously working.

Bluefin;

Vick was hitting 71% of his passes, he was on fire, we weren't going to beat them playing conservatively., our only touchdown came on Ricky's run which was a big play that was set up by two passes completed from Frerotte to Chambers.

I somewhat agree with this too, including the reminder that the pass set it up. I do not consider a running game averaging 5 plus yards an attempt conservative. I would call it power running with the REAL chance of taking it home on every play from any distance. We had exposed their soft underbelly and we didn't gut them when we had the chance. There is little in football more demoralizing than a power running game. Nonetheless, we interupted our running momentum with trickeration throughout the game.(this observation is just that, my observation and impression nothing more) The odds leaned very heavily of favor of success through the running. They had tried their entire playbook and still couldn't stop our running attack and it would have served to keep Vick on the pine. Did you see our o-lineman? they were stoked. Imagine their confidence had we continued after the big game the week before. There is an identity there somewhere if Scott will only call it.



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