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MDFINFAN said:
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Do You Think David Bowens Has Trade Value?
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phunwin
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I would be very surprised if Bowens isn't cut. We can save $2.2 million by doing so. http://www.finheaven.com/seasonal/salaries.php
Whatever trade value he has is offset by that contract. Someone could restructure him, I suppose, but really, he's a marginal defensive end/3-4 OLB who plays well on special teams. Not a huge market for that.
That $2.2 million would be a big help in getting Randy McMike signed long term, or in picking up some 6/1 cuts that could help us more than Bowens.
Whatever trade value he has is offset by that contract. Someone could restructure him, I suppose, but really, he's a marginal defensive end/3-4 OLB who plays well on special teams. Not a huge market for that.
That $2.2 million would be a big help in getting Randy McMike signed long term, or in picking up some 6/1 cuts that could help us more than Bowens.
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Of course the biggest factor in whether Bowens gets cut/traded is performance. If Holliday or Roth steps up and outperforms him in minicamps and Bowens continues to refuse to take a paycut then he's probably gone.
Another thing to consider though is this....
When we first got Saban there were a lot of quotes from former associates and players about what its like to work with Saban. More than a few said that "if you are willing to give 100% all the time and do things his way, you would love Saban. If not you would hate him" (paraphrasing here). Bowens' outburst about not wanting a college coach and the team not needing a disciplinarian may very well factor into the decision. Probably not a big factor, but if Saban is undecided what to do with him it may be enough to tilt the balance towards Bowen's release.
Another thing to consider though is this....
When we first got Saban there were a lot of quotes from former associates and players about what its like to work with Saban. More than a few said that "if you are willing to give 100% all the time and do things his way, you would love Saban. If not you would hate him" (paraphrasing here). Bowens' outburst about not wanting a college coach and the team not needing a disciplinarian may very well factor into the decision. Probably not a big factor, but if Saban is undecided what to do with him it may be enough to tilt the balance towards Bowen's release.
Ohiophinphan
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Given our limited depth at OLB, especially of the large kind Saban prefers, I would expect to see Bowens at least come to camp.
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ckparrothead
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Actually I think David Bowens is one of our more marketable players, and I have been thinking about this one for a while now. He's still young at 27 years old (about to turn 28 in July I believe), he's VERY athletic (often compared to JT when they do agility drills, remember when he was our best special teams gunner in 2001?), and he was productive when given the chance to start on a team that has a poor rushing defense and an attrocious offense (which means, teams were running the ball on us a lot, because it was easy to and because they were usually ahead in the score...evidenced by Miami having defended more runs than any other team in the NFL, while having the fewest passes attempted against them per game in the NFL).
When a team has poor run defense, and a poor offense that allows the other team to get a lead and run the ball to run the clock, that clamps down very effectively on possible sack production. Miami had fewer passes attempted on them than any team in the NFL. If you account for this, then Bowens did better in the sack department per pass attempt than guys like Chike Okeafor and Justin Smith, and even Jevon Kearse...about on par with Aaron Schobel, Steve Foley, and Joey Porter.
Bowens still has unrealized potential and I believe there are other teams that know that. His problems during the early part of his career were mostly mental. The guy was immature, spent irregularly, and ran into trouble. One thing you can't say since he's come to Miami, is that the guy has not been into it mentally. He's been tough. He has had his head in the right spot since he's been here. So, what you have, is a gifted athlete who was just waiting for the opportunity, had that opportunity stolen from him by a combination of injury and the ascendance of a pro bowl caliber DE Ogunleye, and in the season when he's had his first real opportunity to start, he outperformed guys like Kearse, Smith, and Okeafor.
I would not cut him. You always need DEs of that caliber on your roster. And, I wouldn't settle for anything less than a 3rd or 4th rounder for him in trade.
When a team has poor run defense, and a poor offense that allows the other team to get a lead and run the ball to run the clock, that clamps down very effectively on possible sack production. Miami had fewer passes attempted on them than any team in the NFL. If you account for this, then Bowens did better in the sack department per pass attempt than guys like Chike Okeafor and Justin Smith, and even Jevon Kearse...about on par with Aaron Schobel, Steve Foley, and Joey Porter.
Bowens still has unrealized potential and I believe there are other teams that know that. His problems during the early part of his career were mostly mental. The guy was immature, spent irregularly, and ran into trouble. One thing you can't say since he's come to Miami, is that the guy has not been into it mentally. He's been tough. He has had his head in the right spot since he's been here. So, what you have, is a gifted athlete who was just waiting for the opportunity, had that opportunity stolen from him by a combination of injury and the ascendance of a pro bowl caliber DE Ogunleye, and in the season when he's had his first real opportunity to start, he outperformed guys like Kearse, Smith, and Okeafor.
I would not cut him. You always need DEs of that caliber on your roster. And, I wouldn't settle for anything less than a 3rd or 4th rounder for him in trade.
Finfan53
17-0 Still Perfect
We should keep Bowens.... alot of experience last year and he played well, his salary might get restructured or resigned for less. So sick of hearing about how all the rookies had great minicamps.... THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO! A bunch of all-americans should look great in practice??? catching balls and doing drills without pads, with of course no veterans around.
Finfan53
17-0 Still Perfect
Taylor and Thomas have alot left in the tank... this isn't your father's NFL, these guys are gonna play for awhile and play really good at that... Pope wasn't all that this year, and a huge drop off when #54 wasn't in the game.