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Now that Bowe signed, $ would be a solid poll asking people's absolute limit, say: -, 11, 12, 12.5, 13, 13.5,+
Do you want Mike Wallace to be a Phin?
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maybe you can have a few "yes's" with "up to $10", "up to $12", "up to $14" "anything under $16 is ok", and "No" :idk:
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Regardless, neither one of them are worthy of Fitz's or Megatron's money let alone Andre's who are far and away the primary Cards and Lion's receivers. money..
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You must have better insight than the Pittsburgh Steelers, because they chose to move forward with Brown and hand him the contract, therefore pissing off Wallace.
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Well of course not Megatron will be a the GOAT, and Andre Johnson is a top 5 WR ever IMO. But it's Free Agency you will ALWAYS overpay for players.
This is what happens when your inept at drafting WR talent and have to go pay for it.
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They offered Wallace that contact first, he declined it.
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No thanks.
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Yes, I would like to add him because he's the biggest game changer available but I am a bit leery, as well.
I voted no. In my opinion, if Ireland lands Wallace he'll think the WR position is fixed, that he doesn't have to do anymore. That didn't work out too well when we had Brandon Marshall in 2009 and 2010, because Hartline and Bess weren't good enough complimentary pieces then and they still aren't.
The whole position needs an overhaul. If you acquire Jennings you still get the feeling the position gets work and you adjust your long term plans to make him the #2 by drafting potential top WRs in the draft.
The whole position needs an overhaul. If you acquire Jennings you still get the feeling the position gets work and you adjust your long term plans to make him the #2 by drafting potential top WRs in the draft.
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Walrus, do you want Wallace based on his talent?
I think he's overrated. His own head coach -- Mike Tomlin -- calls him "one trick pony" for a reason. The guy can fly. He can get deep. But that's pretty much all he does, frankly. His route running is fairly poor. He's a long strider -- not unlike Ted Ginn -- so he's not really built to stop and start quickly. As a result he rounds off his routes at times, doesn't run stuff at the proper depth at others. He knows what he does and hasn't put the time in to learn the rest.
You have to be able to run every route in our WCO. Everybody has to do everything, because versatility is unpredictability. Wallace doesn't do everything. He does one thing extraordinarily well (helped out by Roethlisberger, who's a top echelon deep ball thrower). That's a nice asset to have, but his predictability can be something of a liability.
Now, on the plus side I think the diva stuff is overstated with him and I think he has very good hands and I do love quick strike ability. But I'd rather rebuild the wide receiver position in the Green Bay mold, with guys like Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Driver and Jones... who can do everything with some proficiency.
Look at our guys. Bess has no speed. Hartline is weak physically, can't sustain speed and has poor balance. Wallace runs most of the route tree in a below average fashion. If you're a defensive coordinator prepping his unit before you play us, you're basically able to tell your team how to read our mail. Bail coverage on Wallace (underneath coverage not as important since he doesn't run the comeback well). Bracket Bess with a corner and linebacker. And press Hartline all over the field. Done.
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I don't agree at all, even if we sign Wallace, I'm pretty sure Ireland will add 2 other WR in the draft (obviously not in the 1st round). We need a replacement for Bess and I see us drafting 1 in the 3rd round + maybe in the later rounds. Philbin like to mold his receivers and Swope seems like a perfect fit in the 3rd round to replace Bess in 2014...
This is exactly why I find it hard to believe we'd pursue him hard in FA with the goal of actually landing him. Ireland's judgment on WRs may be questionable, but I can't imagine Philbin doesn't see these issues and still says "sign me up!". Is his speed and quick-strike ability enticing? Absolutely, and it would be valuable on any offense. But most aspects of this acquisition seem to go against the "GB mold."
Hence my issue. I'd rather sign Jennings and take one WR in the first two rounds (Bailey is my top WR in the draft).
I don't think what this WR core needs is for everyone to go down a step in rank (which is what bringing Wallace in would do). I think it needs to be totally rebuilt (I like Matthews' potential, but he's the only guy I like long term).
I don't like Swope either.
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It's possible the whole thing is a ruse, but at this point I have to doubt it. I think they're serious about Wallace. Unfortunately.
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I agree with Walrus here. I get the feeling the thought is that you sign Mike Wallace and that position is fixed. That'll help pull that 8th man out of the box for the run game, but it still leaves us with a relatively subpar offense. Miami needs a dynamic one and two and a legit threat at TE, not a dynamic one and Hartline/Bess. I still think you sign either Jennings or Wallace and draft another receiver in the first 2 rounds. And I still think you draft one more receiver to replace Bess. I love Bess to death, but if we want a high powered quick-strike offense, he doesn't bring it to the table...
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I'd prefer Jennings. But if Wallace is who they get, than I certainly won't complain. I just hope he still plays hard after he gets paid if he does make it down here.
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