Does Gase And His Staff Know What They're Doing?

[JTech194]

Not sure if this has been discussed here already but a couple of recent admissions by Adam Gase (along with other things) has me questioning if Gase and his coaching staff know what they're doing or if they're learning on the Job.

Gase said in a recent interview that the Jones\McDonald pairing "didn't play out the way he thought".

Lets analyze this for a second. So he thought that paring 2 strong safeties with similar skill-sets, neither of which are good at coverage or playing free safety but are very good at run support and making plays near the LOS was a good idea based off of "How it looked in Practice" ? IN PRACTICE against a way below average offense? And they were convinced enough to offer McDonald 4 years 24 million with 10M guaranteed? With no live game evidence that this paring would work? Despite the history of them both being physical, aggressive near the LOS type safeties. When many NFL pundits and Fans complained that neither of them were Free Safety types... Shouldn't the coaches have known better?

Gase also said he learned that the transition from college LT to NFL LT is not easy! WAIT... WHAT??? I don't care who the player is coach!!! You gotta know that the transition from college to the NFL is not easy for any position... let alone LT.

Those guys make BIG MONEY for a reason. To expect a guy to come in from college and have an "easy" transition to a premier position in the league, one that lines up against the other teams best and baddest every play... is coaching malpractice in my opinion. A coach should think that EVERY rookie will have a hard time transitioning to the NFL and if they prove otherwise, GREAT. But at least if you go in thinking they'll stuggle, you can give yourself options when it happens.

Add these things to the other on the field decisions that have been made and it has me convinced that Gase and his staff are learning as they go. The question is... Will they win enough games and buy enough time to figure it all out before getting fired?

 

[ANUFan]

I think you're overlooking inexperience by a first time NFL coach. Which by all accounts typically means there is a solid ratio between not knowing what he's doing, knowing what he wants to do and learning on the job.

What I find even more interesting is that this post suggests that "experienced" coaches are the best/are more productive.

Clearly, that's not the case.

 

[psfign]

I think you're overlooking inexperience by a first time NFL coach. Which by all accounts typically means there is a solid ratio between not knowing what he's doing, knowing what he wants to do and learning on the job.

What I find even more interesting is that this post suggests that "experienced" coaches are the best/are more productive.

Clearly, that's not the case.

Agree with this 100%.

 

[Phinatic8u]

I think you’re taking him talking to the media at 7am at the owners meeting entirely to much at face value.

He’s very honest in his interviews which is a good thing, but he’s a young HC whose team had a lot of turmoil last year.

 

[zach attach]

My main question to Gase would be, are you willing to compete for a championship this year with Brock Osweiller? Because if Tannehill goes down again, that's exactly what he must do.

If 2017 taught him anything, it's that he needs a starting qb to win. So, I wonder what his answer to this is. Maybe we should draft Mayfield and get him up to speed. If Gase has another year of back up qb play, it really puts a black cloud over this guy with an invitation to the hot seat in 2019.

 

[daryl]

Nate Allen wasn’t popular around here, but the back half of the defense was better earlier in the year when he was healthy. The need a competent FS, not necessarily a superstar, if they want to see improvement.

 

[67Stang]

I think Gase is a good coach and will become a better coach with experience. I also think he inherited a team plagued with overpaid players and a history of bad drafts, along with the biggest issue this team has had for like a decade now, a below average offensive line full of injury prone starters that makes the OL even worse! The OL issues have been the same story forever now and it has been happening throughout several coaches and OC. When the line was healthy (James, Pouncey, and Albert played the game) over the last 2 years Tannehill played, we were 11-4. When the OL was injured which has been the case for several years now, we struggle. The biggest thing we have seen through all of the OC's is the dumbing down of the offense when the injuries hit. It is hard to win when you are predictable.

I really don't think we have seen what Gase's offense is fully capable of due to Tannehill's (over last 1.5 years) and the OL injury issues. I really hope we can finally get a respectable OL that can stay healthy and Tannehill can stay healthy and upright. If so, I think we can be a very dangerous team!

 

[Yessir]

It's been amateur hour in terms of roster evaluation and player management.

His playcalling is meh. And he has shown very little in terms of being more hands-on with the defensive side.

I expect more from a paid professional head coach.

 

[Locke]

Not sure if this has been discussed here already but a couple of recent admissions by Adam Gase (along with other things) has me questioning if Gase and his coaching staff know what they're doing or if they're learning on the Job.

Gase said in a recent interview that the Jones\McDonald pairing "didn't play out the way he thought".

Lets analyze this for a second. So he thought that paring 2 strong safeties with similar skill-sets, neither of which are good at coverage or playing free safety but are very good at run support and making plays near the LOS was a good idea based off of "How it looked in Practice" ? IN PRACTICE against a way below average offense? And they were convinced enough to offer McDonald 4 years 24 million with 10M guaranteed? With no live game evidence that this paring would work? Despite the history of them both being physical, aggressive near the LOS type safeties. When many NFL pundits and Fans complained that neither of them were Free Safety types... Shouldn't the coaches have known better?

Gase also said he learned that the transition from college LT to NFL LT is not easy! WAIT... WHAT??? I don't care who the player is coach!!! You gotta know that the transition from college to the NFL is not easy for any position... let alone LT.

Those guys make BIG MONEY for a reason. To expect a guy to come in from college and have an "easy" transition to a premier position in the league, one that lines up against the other teams best and baddest every play... is coaching malpractice in my opinion. A coach should think that EVERY rookie will have a hard time transitioning to the NFL and if they prove otherwise, GREAT. But at least if you go in thinking they'll stuggle, you can give yourself options when it happens.

Add these things to the other on the field decisions that have been made and it has me convinced that Gase and his staff are learning as they go. The question is... Will they win enough games and buy enough time to figure it all out before getting fired?

I think you have to know what their plan was before you can criticize it for not working. You can guess what it was, but no one but the people inside that building know. Criticizing this coaching staff for basing something on what worked in practice is one of the stupidest things I’ve seen posted because EVERY team decides what plays and formations to run based on what worked in practice. How else would they decide that? There’s literally no other way.

Additionally, every team has rookies that struggle. Why criticize Gase for that? We didn’t have the luxury to sit rookies and let them learn because T-Baum has given Gase a bottom-third of the league roster these past 2 seasons. Of course he anticipated that they may struggle. But what was he supposed to do? Ajayi wasn’t a great run blocker and the bloody corpse of Cutler couldn’t move like he used to.

I don’t understand the point of this post except to complain about Gase. This is going to be a normal occurrence until T-Baum is gone, or science figures out a way to do a brain transplant to insert the brain of a competent personnel guy into T-Baum’s head.

 

[TraderJoe]

I am probably the last guy to defend Gase as I think he an overrated ego maniac (although he does sound more humble lately) but I read the comments from Gase that the OP mentions completely different.

The comments on the surface sound like they are clueless but deeper into article he mentions that it didn’t work in the regular season as well as it did in TC. He goes onto explain that TJ’s suspension was a bigger obstacle that expected due to the lack of communication in the secondary.

There is another piece floating around about how just as they were going to go all in with the hybrid role that Mo Smith had appendicitis and was out on IR.

So I don’t think he was just saying “It didn’t work because I don’t have a clue” I see it more as “It didn’t work due to unexpected injuries forced us to play it differently that it had in TC”. I can except that explanation.

In my opinion In the past Gase has been awful with things like this (insisting he didn’t need good guard play or that Bushrod was their best linemen) but even I think he sounds much more grounded in reality this year and I am encouraged with my perceived change in his attitude.

 

[JTech194]

I think you're overlooking inexperience by a first time NFL coach. Which by all accounts typically means there is a solid ratio between not knowing what he's doing, knowing what he wants to do and learning on the job.

What I find even more interesting is that this post suggests that "experienced" coaches are the best/are more productive.

Clearly, that's not the case.

Winning in the NFL is hard. But I’d say “good” experiences coa

I think you're overlooking inexperience by a first time NFL coach. Which by all accounts typically means there is a solid ratio between not knowing what he's doing, knowing what he wants to do and learning on the job.

What I find even more interesting is that this post suggests that "experienced" coaches are the best/are more productive.

Clearly, that's not the case.

Being inexperienced is one thing. But there are just some things from a football standpoint that ANY FOOTBALL coach should know. I don't coach NFL football but I know that the transition from college to the NFL is VERY DIFFICULT and nowhere near being "EASY" and to expect it to be is naive at best and borderline incompetent at worst.

And I'm not suggesting that being experienced means being more productive. A "Good but Inexperienced Coach" is better than a Experienced Bad Coach" The question is.... Does thinking that the transition from College LT to NFL LT will be "Easy" or that McDonald\Jones can play FS at a high level in the NFL although they haven't shown that over the course of their careers, inexperience or incompetence?

 

[JTech194]

I think you’re taking him talking to the media at 7am at the owners meeting entirely to much at face value.

He’s very honest in his interviews which is a good thing, but he’s a young HC whose team had a lot of turmoil last year.

Coaches routinely wake up 4-5AM so 7AM should be his wheelhouse. I'm not making excuses for him.... Those were his words. He said it, and I have no reason to not believe him.

 

[JTech194]

My main question to Gase would be, are you willing to compete for a championship this year with Brock Osweiller? Because if Tannehill goes down again, that's exactly what he must do.

If 2017 taught him anything, it's that he needs a starting qb to win. So, I wonder what his answer to this is. Maybe we should draft Mayfield and get him up to speed. If Gase has another year of back up qb play, it really puts a black cloud over this guy with an invitation to the hot seat in 2019.

It's hard to keep starting caliber backup QB's on your roster because there just isn't that many of them. But the I agree with you 100%. One thing he should have learned is that a QB going down can derail your ENTIRE SEASON!! So having options is better than having to scramble if it happens. I hope that's a hard lesson he learned this past season.

 

[mwestberry]

People seem to think everything can be magically fixed at once...it happens, (Rams)...but not normally...roster talent, scheme, coaching, salary cap...to name a few is something all coaches have to overcome...I believe we are on the right track and continue to support my team and the direction we are headed...

Nitpicking interviews and dwelling on what words mean to you or second guessing the context ....not a fan...the proof is in the pudding so to speak...give the man and team the time
needed to overcome years of mismanagement and misdirection

It's like waking up one day after year of neglecting your diet only to find out you've gained too much weight...go to the gym for a week or two and get pissed that you're still not there...must be the gym...or the weights...lol

We need continuity in leadership...decide after year 3 or by year 5....IMO

 

[JTech194]

I think Gase is a good coach and will become a better coach with experience. I also think he inherited a team plagued with overpaid players and a history of bad drafts, along with the biggest issue this team has had for like a decade now, a below average offensive line full of injury prone starters that makes the OL even worse! The OL issues have been the same story forever now and it has been happening throughout several coaches and OC. When the line was healthy (James, Pouncey, and Albert played the game) over the last 2 years Tannehill played, we were 11-4. When the OL was injured which has been the case for several years now, we struggle. The biggest thing we have seen through all of the OC's is the dumbing down of the offense when the injuries hit. It is hard to win when you are predictable.

I really don't think we have seen what Gase's offense is fully capable of due to Tannehill's (over last 1.5 years) and the OL injury issues. I really hope we can finally get a respectable OL that can stay healthy and Tannehill can stay healthy and upright. If so, I think we can be a very dangerous team!

While all of that could be true... Non of it has anything to do with Gase thinking moving from College to NFL LT would be an easy transition. Or moving from SS to FS would be easy for Seasoned Vets. Naivete or Incompetence?