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Does Ricky Williams belong in the Miami Dolphins Honor Roll?

Has Miami Dolphin Ring of Honor really fallen to this. Give me another Paxil, please.
 
dolphone said:
I don't think they go hand in hand.

I mean, think about it. You're supposed to (somewhat mindlessly) do what the coaches tell you to do, play 100% (regardless of the posibilites of career-ending or -debilitating injuries, contract status, etc), sacrifice personal glory for team victory (again, regardless of contract status), but if you do all that... you end up in the street, richer than most but with a heavy health, or personal, burden (dedication to the sport trumps family, after all), and most of the time, woefully underappreciated by the fans.

The lucky (or smart) ones combine their ability with judicious obedience, judicious effort, and judicious sacrifice. It's hard to find the sweet spot.

This in no way justifies Williams' actions - but to say he doesn't have the "right mind of an NFL player"... well, very few people do AND become succesful, time-honored stars.
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Well I don't think having the right mindset nessecarily means blindly following all orders given by coaches, owners, etc. without question. You can have the right mindset but still stand up for yourself. There was that whole lockout thing.

What I'm saying is Williams didn't want any of his success. He never really liked football (no matter what his words or actions from 2008 and on suggested.)

I don't know if I've told this story before, but here goes: I spent some time several years ago hanging out with the current boyfriend of one of Ricky's baby mamas. This was during the 2004 season, and I explained that I was a Dolphins fan and how unhappy I was with what he did. He told me that he talked with his girlfriend about it and even with Ricky, and that he always emphasized how much he hated playing the game. His gf told him (when he was in New Orleans) how much he hated going to practice. The only reason he played is because he was good at it and had a chance to make some money off of it. Not many players in the NFL have that mindset.

I'm not saying he had to live and breathe for the game, but if he enjoyed it he probably could have been an all-time great. The talent was there, just not the desire.
 
Absolutley he does. Even though he quit on the team. After what he was put through, and gave us is all everytime he took the field. He always gave it 100%, and it took a toll on his body to do so. When you think of great Dolphins players since Marino, Ricky is the first to come to mind.
 
**** no he does not. He quit. He cost this team years!!! Also, based on his production he was never worth the draft picks we gave up for him. He had a couple decent years and that was it.
 
Granchamp71 said:
Well I don't think having the right mindset nessecarily means blindly following all orders given by coaches, owners, etc. without question. You can have the right mindset but still stand up for yourself. There was that whole lockout thing.

What I'm saying is Williams didn't want any of his success. He never really liked football (no matter what his words or actions from 2008 and on suggested.)

I don't know if I've told this story before, but here goes: I spent some time several years ago hanging out with the current boyfriend of one of Ricky's baby mamas. This was during the 2004 season, and I explained that I was a Dolphins fan and how unhappy I was with what he did. He told me that he talked with his girlfriend about it and even with Ricky, and that he always emphasized how much he hated playing the game. His gf told him (when he was in New Orleans) how much he hated going to practice. The only reason he played is because he was good at it and had a chance to make some money off of it. Not many players in the NFL have that mindset.

I'm not saying he had to live and breathe for the game, but if he enjoyed it he probably could have been an all-time great. The talent was there, just not the desire.
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A lot of veterans hate practice. And more than a few players don't really like the game. They're in it for the money - big shock. It's the same in any field. I do agree Williams was within this group.

More to my point, what I pointed out is what's asked of all players, everywhere. Belichick doesn't ask his players to be smart - he asks them to be obedient. "Do your job". Most coaches are like this - few have the grit to leave their players be, and with good reason: these guys are basically big children. They learn as they age in the league, but initially they have zero clue as to what it takes to be succesful, what makes a scheme work, or what's better for them long term (and I'm just talking about their football careers, not even their life). And the NFL is cold-blodded - if you step out, fall out of line, do *anything* outside of what you're asked for... it's going to be a tough road ahead. Unless your talent is so tremendous it overshadows anything.

The lockout? That was organized by a lawyer, pandering to the masses. And the masses, just as easily as they were swayed into it, were convinced to end it. Same story as with any union...
 
I would think you would have to be part of at least 1 playoff victory to make a ring of honor.

I like Ricky and all but no playoff wins in 9 years means NO RING OF HONOR
 
Zildjianz said:
Absolutley he does. Even though he quit on the team. After what he was put through, and gave us is all everytime he took the field. He always gave it 100%, and it took a toll on his body to do so. When you think of great Dolphins players since Marino, Ricky is the first to come to mind.
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I'm really hoping you're kidding...And if you're not... then wow.


I love the guy and I'm thankful for all the times I jumped up and down and screamed run Ricky run, but.....no.
 
Zildjianz said:
Absolutley he does. Even though he quit on the team. After what he was put through, and gave us is all everytime he took the field. He always gave it 100%, and it took a toll on his body to do so. When you think of great Dolphins players since Marino, Ricky is the first to come to mind.
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Really? One great season does not a honor roll inductee make. Besides, when I think of great Dolphins players since Marino, the first to come to mind is Zach Thomas.
 
Granchamp71 said:
If he played in 2004, 2006 and 2007 maybe he would have had the numbers to make it. Although he probably wouldn't have been as productive in 2009 if he had three more NFL years on his legs, so it's a tough call. Either way he won't make it in and it's sad to see someone with all the god given talent in the world not have the right mind of an NFL player.
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If he'd played all of those years, he'd either be a hall of famer(pushing 10k yards right now), or he'd be in a wheelchair from Wannstedt's offensive "system"(ie headfirst into a brick wall 40 times per game).
 
I would say no but Ricky was the most talented back to ever play for us and the second greatest dolphin back ever
 
To me, the first criteria of such a player is that they have to love the team. The second criteria is that they should be in the Hall, or have a legit chance of some day being inducted. Ricky fails on both those counts. Besides, a guy who doesn't understand the concept of honor shouldn't be given honors.
 
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