Dolphin Fans Are Crazy Dumb Or Drunk

[PHAZINPHINZPHAN]

how much worse is this team than the team two years ago that went 10-6?

Exactly it is not worse if not it is a hell of alot better and ricky and Ronnie wont have to carry the ball 40 times each. The reason for our success then was Ricky Williams. If Dave W. wasn't such a p**** coach then we would have went 12-4 but he was to conservative and that was his downfall. If you guys can remember all thos games from the last 4 years it was always wannstedt trying to put his defense on the field instead of letting the offense do the dirty work once in a while. Air it out man give our defense a little well deserved R & R for those who know what that is.

 

[Wagon Circler]

Your 3-13, 8-8 and 6-10 seasons were all under Williams. You change coaches and have a one year turnaround. That's the way it looks to me.

If you guys can go from 6-10 to 9-7, we can go from 4-12 to 9-7 just as easily. There's no requirement that we have a bunch of downtime. All it took was a coaching change for you guys.

We had a very good foundation when Mularkey took over, that didn't just happen.

What about Gregg in his first year? 3-13. We needed two coaching changes before becoming competitive again.

 

[PHAZINPHINZPHAN]

Our biggest obstacle this year is the AFCE...The Jets were in the p/o's last year, the Bills were very close and the Pats are the Pats...(meaning, I refuse to count them out until they are beaten...they just always seem to come thru when you least expect it..). That constitutes 6 of our 16 games.

We were close in most every game last year, but we really weren't very close in those games. We had no heart last year, as a team...That won't be true this year, but it still won't add up to 10 or 12 wins like some seem to think...

As a loooong time Fins fan, I can tell you that this time of EVERY year, including last year, is time for extreme optimism because our teams have usually always been well coached at least (save for the last couple or three years). This year is different...while we are all agreed that Saban will be more of a Shula type coach than a Wanny type coach, we do have to temper our optimism some...Saban hasn't coached his first pro game yet (as a HC)...

Saban has made some improvements, but will it be enough for this season ?? I doubt it seriously...Saban must have abandoned his "build for the future" ideas after looking a little closer at the talent we already had on the roster and just decided to plug up a few holes and keep moving...but is it going to be enough (for this season) ??

The bottom line for most of us would be that even if we are 4-12 again, and competitive, we'd be happy...we have been 10-6 and 11-5 in the last few years and not competitive, so that would be a tremendous sight for me...I'm not being pessimistic, just guardedly optimistic. I stand by what I said before Wanny left, and that was that I was tired of playing not to lose instead of to win...I do feel that with Saban, we'll play to win though...

(how's that for rambling on....)

Last year we had no reason to be excited Ricky quit and Boston got hurt and we still had no QB what were we optimistic of?

 

[Agua]

We had a very good foundation when Mularkey took over, that didn't just happen.

So do we. The difference between last year and the year before is absolutely chaotic coaching last year, and no running game. This year, our D should be as good as last year (better vs. the run, as good or close vs. the pass based upon scheme), our O should be vastly improved.

What about Gregg in his first year? 3-13. We needed two coaching changes before becoming competitive again.

Yeah, he consistently sucked from start to finish. That's not what we're faced with here.

 

[Wagon Circler]

So do we. The difference between last year and the year before is absolutely chaotic coaching last year, and no running game. This year, our D should be as good as last year (better vs. the run, as good or close vs. the pass based upon scheme), our O should be vastly improved.



Yeah, he consistently sucked from start to finish. That's not what we're faced with here.

That's easy to say in the beginning. You don't think we were saying the same thing?

 

[PhinsPhan]

Exactly it is not worse if not it is a hell of alot better and ricky and Ronnie wont have to carry the ball 40 times each. The reason for our success then was Ricky Williams. If Dave W. wasn't such a p**** coach then we would have went 12-4 but he was to conservative and that was his downfall. If you guys can remember all thos games from the last 4 years it was always wannstedt trying to put his defense on the field instead of letting the offense do the dirty work once in a while. Air it out man give our defense a little well deserved R & R for those who know what that is.

this is just it. We get instantly discredited because last year we were the second worst team in the league. People forget that our entire team was decimated by injuries, that Wanny couldnt coach, that Ricky just left the team, that players lost confidence and that overall it was one big s*** show. If our coaching staff could have coached an oline to even stand in one position tehy would have blocked better than what they did. Simply put our coaching staff was inept but that is already well known.

Now come to this year. We have a 1st calibre coaching staff that rivals anyones in the league, plus we have all of our players back and a rediculous amount of depth at any position. The only questionn mark we have on our entire team is QB. But if you honestly think Brad Johnson was the reason the Bucs won the superbowl, or Trent Dilfer was the reason teh Ravens did, or Doug Williams was the savior of the Redskins and so on and so on then you are out of your mind. I am not saying we are going to win a superbowl by any means but if the only question mark we have is at QB, and I guess Oline (but look how San Diegos line was last year) I cant see us having anything but a good season.

 

[ether79]

That's easy to say in the beginning. You don't think we were saying the same thing?

You were excited when you signed him as your HC?

 

[Dolphin Dan]

You can make your predictions just like we make ours... We will see who is right. Bottom line is the difference between winnign and losing is not as great as you might think. How Many Games were we blown out in last year???? I can only think of 1. Almost every other game we played we had a GOOD chance to win think about it(Jet game in Miami, Both Bills Games, Bronco Game, Seahawk game, Pitt game, Tenn, Cincy, etc. We c ould have been 8-8 with some breaks.

 

[TGall13]

You can make your predictions just like we make ours... We will see who is right. Bottom line is the difference between winnign and losing is not as great as you might think. How Many Games were we blown out in last year???? I can only think of 1. Almost every other game we played we had a GOOD chance to win think about it(Jet game in Miami, Both Bills Games, Bronco Game, Seahawk game, Pitt game, Tenn, Cincy, etc. We c ould have been 8-8 with some breaks.

This is what people forget about. We were tough to beat last year, even with the lame coaching, non-existing running game and poor run stopping. Everyone just looks at the 4-12 record. With the parity in the league, coaching will make the biggest difference. Our team is loaded with talented coaches and talented players. It's a new start and I'm not putting anything out of reach.

 

[DrAstroZoom]

This is a good thread. I'm not going to lay into the thread starter. I see what you're saying, but ...

I would say the Patriots weakened a little, the Jets stayed about the same and the Bills are a real unknown quantity going into the start of the year. Remember also, that we are in an era in which fortunes reverse very quickly. I'm not saying 12-4, but I'm thinking 9-7 or 10-6 with a wild card berth is a real possibility.

 

[DuderinoN703]

It's too bad that none of these "downer" posts will get me down. I think we'll have a fine season. I don't care what happened last year or what any other team did. I can predict what I want and that's my right.

We're all fans of football b/c we love the sport. I love the Dolphins, so I'll support them until it's time to stop. As I've said a million times, none of us has any true clue how anyone will do this year, so the guys saying we'll be 15-1 have no clue, same for the 8-8 and 4-12 predictions.

I feel we'll be fine b/c they're my team and I support them. Do I really know what'll happen? No. But that doesn't make me dumb, nor does it make me crazy, and it's only 5pm, so drunk is out of the question. At least for a few more minutes :D

 

[DoctorFeelgood]

neither Feely nor Frerotte are the QB's to get us to 12-4,

We got to 11-5 with Jay Fiedler, and Feely and Frerotte are both better than Fiedler. And wasn't Lamar Smith the RB that first 11-5 season? Ricky and Ronnie should be a step up from Lamar S.

12-4 is, I believe, HIGHLY unlikely... for a lot of reason. But it's certainly not impossible.

 

[DPlus47]

4) And all this talk about teams have turned it around in the past is all a pipe dream. They had serious stars in key positions folks. Like Drew Brees...he's light years ahead of what our QBs have shown and believe it or not, this is a QB driven league. We should understand that and embrace it by now. You can buy a bad QB all the time in the world and give him the best targets and give him a solid running game, but he will still let you down.

i'm not ripping into you for your post, but this is an odd point here. drew brees didn't show that he was "light years ahead" of anybody until they played games last season. the chargers skipped some good players in order to draft his replacement. last year was the first time he had much time to throw, from what i saw. and no, there was no point before last season where brees was considered a "serious star" in the NFL. before last year, brees was a "serious question mark" who probably only got his chance to shine because rivers held out so long.

 

[dreday]

Think small and youll get small...Think BIG and you never know...call me crazy

 

[dreday]

Just face it when do you ever hear a coach no matter what their record was the year before say"w'ere rebuilding we dont expect to win more than 7" games so wait til next year w'ell win the superbowl...Theres a big difference when you say...w'ere NOT going to do this or w'ere NOT going to do that....Youll hear coaches say w'ere going to come and compete to the best of our abilty every week UNTIL we start winning the games we want...Winners always "find a way" Losers "find a way not to find a way".