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Dolphins abandoning tax-relief plan in favor of event payments

Dmarino110 said:
hopefully it turns into demolish Joe Robbie and build new stadium himself...
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The problem is that if it comes to that, the stadium will probably be built in Los Angeles, California. If he is paying the full price himself as a huge tax cash cow for the city/county, he and almost every owner in the NFL will decide to do that in the 2nd largest market in the US.

All of the other owners will support it to get the NFL back into that market. Remember, a stadium solution is the only thing preventing the NFL from being in LA right now.

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I personally could care less if an owner tried to move a team because the public didn't pay for his stadium. I do think Ross is trying to get something done here and hope the best for him but taxpayers throughout our land need to just standup and hold their politicans accountable for subsidizing millionaires.
The marlins deal is beyond reprehensible and most of the stadium deals in the country are. The exaggerated effect of what a sports team brings to the local economy is quite overrated. Its more of a quality of life increase if anything. The NFl can keep extorting taxpayers but the cities lining up for an NFL franchise is a fairly limited group.
I don't find Ross any more greedy than the rest of the owners although I will say he handled his previous stadium tax bid like a rank amateur disguised with trying to sneak bills through without proper process. Got to love the NFl's way of blaming cities like Jville and Miami for not supporting subpar products. I guess they forget that Miami in the past when they were sometimes a good team never had a problem with attendance. Of course many will blame the fans for the ineptitude of the team for the past half decade but that's pure silliness.
 
uk_dolfan said:
Miami with apparently no interest from the City in keeping the team.
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Can you possibly speculate any further into the BS you are spewing? The city of Miami doesn't want the Dolphins? Rethink what you just said. The Marlins deal (just two years ago) gave the entire county a bad taste, it couldn't have came in worse timing than it did for the Fins.
 
AFCMiamiEast said:
Can you possibly speculate any further into the BS you are spewing? The city of Miami doesn't want the Dolphins? Rethink what you just said.
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Bull****? Spare me. It's a dead end nfl city. Got a problem with that statement? Take it up with the locals not me.

The marlins bs is getting old, the Dolphins offered what seems one of the best deals in America, throw it back in their faces many more times and get ready to start a campaign to build a stadium for a new team when the Dolphins get up and leave
 
AFCMiamiEast said:
Yeah, that's what all of your speculation is. Do you honestly think Miami is the only city with an NFL team that goes through **** like this? Cm'on.
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No your right oakland and buffalo have similar Issues. ... of course both of those teams will be gone within 10 years as well *shrug*

I don't want the Dolphins to leave miami but the political point scoring against the team due to issues with other teams is getting very old. The heat marlins and every other team in florida get state money but the Dolphins and Ross are out of line for wanting the same?

Like I said in my first post, little odds to me what happens. But people are playing politics over this issue and if they mess around til Ross is gone there is very little to keep a team in miami when they could make more cash elsewhere so if the city does want the Dolphins they should be very careful about throwing out one of the best deals I've ever seen an nfl team offer. Especially over the marlins
 
uk_dolfan said:
No your right oakland and buffalo have similar Issues. ... of course both of those teams will be gone within 10 years as well *shrug*
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Connect the dots dude, Oakland, Buffalo, and Miami...what common trait do those three teams all share together?

uk_dolfan said:
I don't want the Dolphins to leave miami but the political point scoring against the team due to issues with other teams is getting very old. The heat marlins and very other team in florida get state money but the Dolphins and Ross are out of line for wanting the same?
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You're comparing Ross, who proposed a potentially half a billion dollar stadium renovation deal, to Mickey Arrison (owner of the Miami Heat) who has proposed absolutely nothing close to a deal like that. Makes no sense to compare the two team's situation. It's like having your son ask for a used cadillac, and rewarding it to him, versus your daughter asking for a brand new 2014 Mustang, and rejecting her proposal.
 
uk_dolfan said:
im not a taxpayer, I dont go to games. The last deal sounded fair to me. If they keep this up the next owner will move the team within a week of buying it from Ross, small market, small attendances, small sponsorship, small sales, small tv figures, Miami is a dead end NFL city - don't like me saying that? tough its true. The last deal gave ross one of the worst deals in the nfl, its interesting the see the desperate lengths he is taking to keep the team in Miami with apparently no interest from the City in keeping the team.

Ah well maybe they would try move the Jags south if all this falls appart, the Miami Jaguars wouldnt be so bad
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Nope. You are not a tax payer, nor do you go to games and you have for sure no frigging clue about south Florida.

The Miami/Fort Lauderdale area is the #16 TV market in he Nation. That's easily the middle of the pack in the NFL. Unfortunately TV market numbers do not combine the West Palm Beach Market with Miami/Fort Lauderdale. The stadium is located at the Broward/Miami-Dade County Line - smack in the middle of what we call the Tri-County area (Miami-Dade, Broward County, Palm Beach County). Combine the markets and they move up a few nodges.

Just to give you an idea about numbers:
Palm Bach County is the 3rd largest county in Florida and 28th in the nation. 1.3 Million
Broward County is the 2nd largest county in Florida and 17th in the Nation. 1.7 Million
Miami-Dade is the largest county in Florida and 7th in the nation. 2.7 Million

6 million people, 1/3 of Florida's entire population. Small market? Really.
(New York City, the #1 market, has a population of 8 Million)

Why don't the Dolphins sell out? We suck. We suck for a long time.
When the Dolphins are good we sell out. When the Panthers were good they sold out. A few years back the Heat could hardly sell a game out because they sucked.

That's the nature of sports and is not limited to just the Miami Dolphins. Ask Buffalo fans how many empty seats they have these days. And they used to sell out as well.

The Dolphins also have the 7th largest stadium in the NFL and the 5th largest when you combine all expanded seating.

Instead of bargaining on the improvements for the stadium maybe Ross should field a winning team.

Let me ask you a question: why do you think Ross guaranteed a sell out every game last year considering that there were at least 10-15,000 seats empty? Because he is such a great guy? No, because he still made money. By guaranteeing a sell out the team was on TV locally and the revenue from the team being marketed on local TV exceeded his cost for buying up tickets. Now why would do that? Because we have a small market? I doubt that.
 
uk_dolfan said:
Bull****? Spare me. It's a dead end nfl city. Got a problem with that statement? Take it up with the locals not me.

The marlins bs is getting old, the Dolphins offered what seems one of the best deals in America, throw it back in their faces many more times and get ready to start a campaign to build a stadium for a new team when the Dolphins get up and leave
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Why should we take that up with the locals? You made those stupid assumptions. It is really time for you to step back from this discussion. It is one thing if an out-of-towner starts talking about south Florida but from across the pond? :lol:

You are way over your head.
 
Daytona Fin said:
Update

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...sion-heat-seantrel-warning.html#storylink=cpy
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Slightly off topic, but relevant to the renovations:

The Atlanta Falcons held a glitzy groundbreaking ceremony for their new downtown stadium Monday night, and team owner Arthur Blank used the occasion — and a beautiful May evening — to lobby for a Super Bowl.

“Welcome to a typical evening in Atlanta,” Blank said at the outdoor event. “So for those of my NFL partners who will one day vote for a Super Bowl, this is normal weather in Atlanta — even in February.”

In an interview after the ceremony, Blank reiterated what he first said a year ago: that he hopes Atlanta will host the Super Bowl in 2019, the first year under NFL rules that the new retractable-roof stadium would be eligible to serve as the site of the mega-event.

“2019 is our hope,” Blank said. “That’s our aspiration, and we’ll see where that takes us, but that’s our hope.”

Underscoring Atlanta’s aspiration, a plane circled the ceremony, pulling a banner that read: “Break Ground on Super Bowl Too.”

NFL owners will choose the site of the 2018 Super Bowl at a meeting in Atlanta on Tuesday, with Minneapolis, Indianapolis and New Orleans the bidders. Atlanta was not eligible to bid for the 2018 event because the NFL requires a stadium to be open at least two football seasons before it hosts a Super Bowl. The new Falcons stadium is scheduled to open in 2017, making the 2019 Super Bowl the first for which it could be considered.
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http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/football/at-stadium-groundbreaking-blank-lobbies-for-a-supe/nfzg3/

The NFL gives favorable treatment to the cities that build new stadiums. Minnesota just won the 2018 Superbowl. I suspect Indy would get the nod over Miami if they were going with an older stadium, though it doesnt take a fortune teller to predict that Atlanta will get the nod. Maybe, just maybe, we could be in realistic play for 2020...but then again, other teams are knee deep in stadium negotiations.
 
They are wanting to keep a crap team in a crap city like Buffail. There is no way the Fins leave south FL.
 
I would love to know the salary of the superintendent of schools….I bet he does not want to lose Ross' revenue.
 
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