Bush always demanded so much attention. Even with a very good OC in Peyton, how often did you really see Bush in open space? There were always two or three defenders around him - in situations where most RB's would be one on one.
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Bush always demanded so much attention. Even with a very good OC in Peyton, how often did you really see Bush in open space? There were always two or three defenders around him - in situations where most RB's would be one on one.
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I'm hoping you're right. I think the biggest problem with the Dolphins offense last year was how little we used 4wr and 5wr plays. Hell, we'd be lucky to get 3 wideouts on the field. Bush has excellent hands and I'm hoping we use him on a lot of screens and wheel routes, and most of all, I'm hoping he plays Ricky's role in the Wildcat. Whenever Ricky got around the corner, it usually never ended in a home run hit. But I'd be terrified of Reggie Bush getting the handoff at full speed around the corner.
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even with this signing we still need a rb you can run between the tackles with...we got daniel thomas and reggie bush and lex hilliard but we need another piece...
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according to ESPN.com we didn't even give up a pick. We gave up Jon Amaya
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If they don't think Daniel Thomas can be effective running between the tackles, then they shouldn't have drafted him to begin with, and damn sure shouldn't have traded up for him. Especially when the team needed a quarterback, and especially after passing up Mark Ingram.
Hell, if they were going to go that route then I'd rather have selected Delone Carter or Allen Bradford later anyway. I think both are just as good as Daniel Thomas.
If Daniel Thomas can't run between the tackles... they need their a**es kicked first, then fired.
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Hey, guys. Thought that I would chime in as a Saints Fan who also has a soft spot for the Phins.
The book on Bush, from the perspective of a Saints fan, is not that different than the public perception of him.
I think that he has more value than people realize. Once he was declared a bust, people wrote him off. He was never a true bust. He just wasn't top-five worthy. If he had been drafted one round later and had the exact same career, people would be much higher on him.
Biggest problem for him has been health. It is a well-worn analogy, but he's like a sweet cherry-red Porsche that runs like it is on rails, but is in the shop 300 days a year. He's always getting dinged up, and his game does not really let him play through those dings. He needs to be close to 100% health-wise to really make an impact.
But, when healthy, he can make that impact. He's a mismatch nightmare for defenses. He's got great hands and can line up in the slot as easily as in the backfield. And his pass-blocking is very good (and very underrated). When he is in the huddle, the defense really has no idea where he will line up or what he will do--which really opens up other aspects of the offense if you have a QB who can take advantage of that. (You guys really need to upgrade Henne, to state the obvious).
To take that a step farther, if your QB really knows what he is doing, then Bush can be a great diagnostic tool. Putting him in motion before the snap forces the defense to tip its hand a bit. He demands enough attention that you can see how the defense reacts to him in motion and use that to figure out the defense pre-snap. Drew Brees did that all the time. (I mean, seriously, Chad Henne?)
Bush also still has the gamebreaking speed and moves that force defenses to cover him with something more than a linebacker or a plodding safety. This, again, opens things up for other players. And he's really good at making teams pay for under-covering him. It never makes it on Sportscenter, but his greatest contributions, I think, are not the 50 yard touchdown runs. It's when he takes a little flare pass out the backfield and uses his speed to outrun the linebacker and turn it into a 10 yard gain. He turns a lot of 4 yard plays into 10 yard gains by simply outrunning the defense to the sidelines. Keeps the chains moving and all that.
Finally, he will have occasional plays where he puts his head down and runs between the tackles, but those are rare. You can't teach an old dog too many new tricks, and Bush will almost always break plays to the outside that should go inside. Bad habits picked up from HS and college, I guess. You will see a lot of potential 3 yard runs turn into 1 yard losses because he tried to bounce it outside when the hole didn't open up for him.
Oh, and Bush has always had someone there--Deuce, Pierre Thomas--as the other back. The Dolphins will still need another running back to complement him. His health and running style will not let the team depend on him as an RB1 getting 300+ carries.
All that said, for a team that limits his touches and knows how to use him, he is a real weapon that will make the whole offense better.
The book on Bush, from the perspective of a Saints fan, is not that different than the public perception of him.
I think that he has more value than people realize. Once he was declared a bust, people wrote him off. He was never a true bust. He just wasn't top-five worthy. If he had been drafted one round later and had the exact same career, people would be much higher on him.
Biggest problem for him has been health. It is a well-worn analogy, but he's like a sweet cherry-red Porsche that runs like it is on rails, but is in the shop 300 days a year. He's always getting dinged up, and his game does not really let him play through those dings. He needs to be close to 100% health-wise to really make an impact.
But, when healthy, he can make that impact. He's a mismatch nightmare for defenses. He's got great hands and can line up in the slot as easily as in the backfield. And his pass-blocking is very good (and very underrated). When he is in the huddle, the defense really has no idea where he will line up or what he will do--which really opens up other aspects of the offense if you have a QB who can take advantage of that. (You guys really need to upgrade Henne, to state the obvious).
To take that a step farther, if your QB really knows what he is doing, then Bush can be a great diagnostic tool. Putting him in motion before the snap forces the defense to tip its hand a bit. He demands enough attention that you can see how the defense reacts to him in motion and use that to figure out the defense pre-snap. Drew Brees did that all the time. (I mean, seriously, Chad Henne?)
Bush also still has the gamebreaking speed and moves that force defenses to cover him with something more than a linebacker or a plodding safety. This, again, opens things up for other players. And he's really good at making teams pay for under-covering him. It never makes it on Sportscenter, but his greatest contributions, I think, are not the 50 yard touchdown runs. It's when he takes a little flare pass out the backfield and uses his speed to outrun the linebacker and turn it into a 10 yard gain. He turns a lot of 4 yard plays into 10 yard gains by simply outrunning the defense to the sidelines. Keeps the chains moving and all that.
Finally, he will have occasional plays where he puts his head down and runs between the tackles, but those are rare. You can't teach an old dog too many new tricks, and Bush will almost always break plays to the outside that should go inside. Bad habits picked up from HS and college, I guess. You will see a lot of potential 3 yard runs turn into 1 yard losses because he tried to bounce it outside when the hole didn't open up for him.
Oh, and Bush has always had someone there--Deuce, Pierre Thomas--as the other back. The Dolphins will still need another running back to complement him. His health and running style will not let the team depend on him as an RB1 getting 300+ carries.
All that said, for a team that limits his touches and knows how to use him, he is a real weapon that will make the whole offense better.
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Part of the deal apparently was an assurance that we wouldn't be bringing in any more pieces at running back.
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Lol if we traded an Undrafted player for Reggie Bush, that would be the steal of the century.
Bush adds a weapon on offense. That was a need. But Orton is the #1 priority. That deal needs to get finished.
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i think thomas can run b/t the tackles but with that upright running style and that length i don't know if he's gonna suit up 16 games...an awful lot to hit there
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oh really..well this gets even better...
Are we better than we were yesterday?
I'd say yes. :up:
I'd say yes. :up:
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Exactly... which is why I think there were backs that could've been had even later (Carter/Bradford, etc.) that are better runners between the tackles than Thomas is. If a "chain-mover" was all they were looking for, and a guy who can get the tough yards inside, Ingram was the guy... period. However, there were also backs more suited for it who run with a lower center of gravity that could've been had later and cheaper.
Daniel Thomas can't break tackles because he runs so high.. and people are going to find that out very soon. He's a good all around back with legitimate upside IF he learns to run behind his pads instead of under them. If he doesn't, he won't even make it very long in the NFL.