Dolphins being sued over concussion issue

[Dr. Phin]

This isn't true whatsoever. There are players every once in a while who retire in their prime simply because they are afraid of permanent damage. You can't say with any degree of certainty that everyone would continue playing. Your "guess" is pure conjecture at this point.

Some good reading, if you're genuinely interested in obtaining more information:

http://nflalumniasssociation.wordpr...ootball-talk-is-cheap-on-concussion-lawsuits/

You know what I can "guarantee"? I can guarantee that there is someone out there more than willing to take the place of anyone who wants to quit the game because they are *******...

This is "ambulance chasing crap"....nothing more...

 

[Fudge 101]

You know what I can "guarantee"? I can guarantee that there is someone out there more than willing to take the place of anyone who wants to quit the game because they are *******...

This is "ambulance chasing crap"....nothing more...

First, I hate this "ambulance chasing" term. Lawyers are under serious obligations not to even hand out a business card if they happen to witness an accident, let alone seek out people to sue. They would lose their license in a heartbeat.

Of course someone is willing to take their place. People have different risk levels. Some people are okay with throwing down 20,000 on a card table and letting it ride. Others would consider spending a dollar on a scratchoff a risky investment. There are plenty of people willing to give up their future for a short term benefit. With the salary of sports figures, the amount of people rises. But this isn't about the fact that the game of football won't die, this is about people understanding the consequences.

Think about smoking, seriously. Is smoking gone? Not at all. There are plenty of people who waste their time and money, and then our tax dollars in the pulmonary floor of the hospital with oxygen tanks and throat cancer. But, those 70-80 year olds who were told smoking was okay and in fact a healthy thing deserve to be compensated for the active concealment or fraud. No one knew smoking could cause what it does EXCEPT the cigarette companies. So, the solution was to create a cut-off date of when people KNEW smoking was dangerous. If you smoke after that, the companies don't owe you a dime, you assumed the risk of being a dumb-ass by smoking. If you don't like smoking, consider the asbestos cases.

Football should work the same. Keep in mind this is all under the assumption that the NFL did know there was a linkage to the problems alleged. Set a date and compensate those who didn't realize the repercussions. For those that now know, it becomes an assumption of risk. Just as cartons contain the Surgeon General's warning, football players are now warned. 'nuff said. But don't assume that because the sport is "dangerous" that they knew they could be psychologically altered.

 

[CANDolphan]

You know what I can "guarantee"? I can guarantee that there is someone out there more than willing to take the place of anyone who wants to quit the game because they are *******...

This is "ambulance chasing crap"....nothing more...

No, it really isn't. And yes, you are right, there is someone who might be more than willing to take the place of anyone who wants to quit the game... but that's THEIR choice to make. Not everyone is willing to sacrifice their long term well being for the quick benefit of being an NFL player. Because you are unable to comprehend such a decision does not mean that YOU have the right to make it and THEY don't. If the NFL withheld the information, THEY ARE IN THE WRONG. PERIOD. WHY ELSE WOULD THEY HIDE INFORMATION? Oh I know, it's probably stop players from being such "*****s", you pansy NFL player taking constant abuse and actually having a LIMIT to what you'd take! What a coward.

You have no idea what you're talking about with regards to the "ambulance chaser" nonsense, so just stop it with the ridiculous insults. You have NO idea what they are alleging, by choice and by force, as they haven't released it yet. You can't say a SINGLE word about the entire thing for certain because without the facts it's just crap! Why are people so willing and so quick to jump to such extreme conclusions? It's ridiculous. Just stop.

 

[dolfan_101]

While on the topic.. Did this piss anyone else off? I was almost speechless after this fail.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-kurt-warner-is-uneducated-and-irresponsible/

 

[Dr. Phin]

No, it really isn't. And yes, you are right, there is someone who might be more than willing to take the place of anyone who wants to quit the game... but that's THEIR choice to make. Not everyone is willing to sacrifice their long term well being for the quick benefit of being an NFL player. Because you are unable to comprehend such a decision does not mean that YOU have the right to make it and THEY don't. If the NFL withheld the information, THEY ARE IN THE WRONG. PERIOD. WHY ELSE WOULD THEY HIDE INFORMATION? Oh I know, it's probably stop players from being such "*****s", you pansy NFL player taking constant abuse and actually having a LIMIT to what you'd take! What a coward.

You have no idea what you're talking about with regards to the "ambulance chaser" nonsense, so just stop it with the ridiculous insults. You have NO idea what they are alleging, by choice and by force, as they haven't released it yet. You can't say a SINGLE word about the entire thing for certain because without the facts it's just crap! Why are people so willing and so quick to jump to such extreme conclusions? It's ridiculous. Just stop.

Oh, so others can't say a "a SINGLE word about the entire thing", but you can? Get over your self...

 

[Dr. Phin]

First, I hate this "ambulance chasing" term. Lawyers are under serious obligations not to even hand out a business card if they happen to witness an accident, let alone seek out people to sue. They would lose their license in a heartbeat.

Of course someone is willing to take their place. People have different risk levels. Some people are okay with throwing down 20,000 on a card table and letting it ride. Others would consider spending a dollar on a scratchoff a risky investment. There are plenty of people willing to give up their future for a short term benefit. With the salary of sports figures, the amount of people rises. But this isn't about the fact that the game of football won't die, this is about people understanding the consequences.

Think about smoking, seriously. Is smoking gone? Not at all. There are plenty of people who waste their time and money, and then our tax dollars in the pulmonary floor of the hospital with oxygen tanks and throat cancer. But, those 70-80 year olds who were told smoking was okay and in fact a healthy thing deserve to be compensated for the active concealment or fraud. No one knew smoking could cause what it does EXCEPT the cigarette companies. So, the solution was to create a cut-off date of when people KNEW smoking was dangerous. If you smoke after that, the companies don't owe you a dime, you assumed the risk of being a dumb-ass by smoking. If you don't like smoking, consider the asbestos cases.

Football should work the same. Keep in mind this is all under the assumption that the NFL did know there was a linkage to the problems alleged. Set a date and compensate those who didn't realize the repercussions. For those that now know, it becomes an assumption of risk. Just as cartons contain the Surgeon General's warning, football players are now warned. 'nuff said. But don't assume that because the sport is "dangerous" that they knew they could be psychologically altered.

You may not like it, but that is just too damn bad. I consider any of these so-called "lawyers" nothing more than scum. The whole smoking thing is a good example. The idea that these morons didn't know that inhaling smoke into their lungs for 50 years wouldn't do anything is a load of crap. Noone should have seen one freaking dime from the tobacco industry. If it is really so bad, they should shut it down...but that would stop the government "cash cow".

These are just examples of people today trying to "get something for nothing". I hope they don't get ****!

 

[CANDolphan]

Oh, so others can't say a "a SINGLE word about the entire thing", but you can? Get over your self...

I said you can't say a single thing for certain. Which is exactly what I've been saying the entire time. I'm "over myself", meanwhile you're not even debating things honestly. I'm being sincere here, please try to educate yourself on the whole thing. It's a real shame that you feel the way you do, and I get that, but I think that you need to actually wait for the court documents before you can make a single judgment.

Stop arguing strawmen here.
also... had to laugh at this

Hoge’s career was cut short after he had multiple concussions in 1994, and he successfully sued the Bears and their team doctor over the way his concussions were treated during his final NFL season.

WHAT AN AMBULANCE CHASER

 

[CANDolphan]

You may not like it, but that is just too damn bad. I consider any of these so-called "lawyers" nothing more than scum. The whole smoking thing is a good example. The idea that these morons didn't know that inhaling smoke into their lungs for 50 years wouldn't do anything is a load of crap. Noone should have seen one freaking dime from the tobacco industry. If it is really so bad, they should shut it down...but that would stop the government "cash cow".

These are just examples of people today trying to "get something for nothing". I hope they don't get ****!

You have no idea what you're talking about with regards to the smoking "thing" and why anyone received any money. There is absolutely no tie to it being banned because it was bad for you. It has to do with the Tobacco companies lying to people and falsifying medical reports that said smoking was actually GOOD for you. If your doctor told you something was good for you, and showed you different reports affirming it, only to learn 25 years later that it cut your life short by 10-15 years and ruined your quality of life later on... you don't think that's wrong?

I'm glad to discuss stuff like this out in the open, because it's my trade, but only if you will be open minded about the whole thing. Right now it seems like your mind is made up before reading a single fact concerning the case.

 

[Dr. Phin]

I said you can't say a single thing for certain. Which is exactly what I've been saying the entire time. I'm "over myself", meanwhile you're not even debating things honestly. I'm being sincere here, please try to educate yourself on the whole thing. It's a real shame that you feel the way you do, and I get that, but I think that you need to actually wait for the court documents before you can make a single judgment.

Stop arguing strawmen here.
also... had to laugh at this


WHAT AN AMBULANCE CHASER

No, I am not debating it because I don't believe there is a debate. I think these lawsuits are ****ing joke and the lawyers bringing these suits should be thrown in prison...

 

[Dr. Phin]

You have no idea what you're talking about with regards to the smoking "thing" and why anyone received any money. There is absolutely no tie to it being banned because it was bad for you. It has to do with the Tobacco companies lying to people and falsifying medical reports that said smoking was actually GOOD for you. If your doctor told you something was good for you, and showed you different reports affirming it, only to learn 25 years later that it cut your life short by 10-15 years and ruined your quality of life later on... you don't think that's wrong?

I'm glad to discuss stuff like this out in the open, because it's my trade, but only if you will be open minded about the whole thing. Right now it seems like your mind is made up before reading a single fact concerning the case.

I smoked for 25 years before I quit, and I am still on the side of the tobacco companies. So, to say I don't know what I am talking about is a load of crap.

But as you are "in the industry" as you say, I can see why you defend this crap. Only those "in the industry" defend these lawsuits this way. People need to take responsibility for their own damn lives, and not live on the basis that anything bad that happens is someone else's fault which deserves a big payday.

 

[dolpns13]

Yeah, I spoke with them already about suspending my account except for the seasons and they decided to give me 10/month for 2 years. Its too much of a pain to go back and forth between DTV and cable - for me anyways.

If you are not under contract to Directv switch over to basic cable for a couple months (no contract with them either). Then when the season rolls around sign back with Directv and they will give you NFL ticket for free. Tell em you can only sign a 6 or 9 months contract because you are going out of the country and then you can do it again next year. They give all their new customers free NFL ticket. Worked for me last year and I am doing it again this year. I have basic cable right now and will wait another month before I get satelite again.

 

[Fudge 101]

You may not like it, but that is just too damn bad. I consider any of these so-called "lawyers" nothing more than scum. The whole smoking thing is a good example. The idea that these morons didn't know that inhaling smoke into their lungs for 50 years wouldn't do anything is a load of crap. Noone should have seen one freaking dime from the tobacco industry. If it is really so bad, they should shut it down...but that would stop the government "cash cow".

These are just examples of people today trying to "get something for nothing". I hope they don't get ****!

I love how hindsight is always 20/20. Do you honestly believe that people knew smoking was harmful? What about alcohol, do you think hundreds of years ago people knew the damage alcohol could do to the liver? You neglect the argument that companies PURPOSELY made cigarettes addictive. Do you think people knew there was nicotine in their smokes and and that they couldn't stop the cravings? Everybody reacts differently to drugs, so for you, I am glad you were able to quit. Some are less fortunate, but there is no possible way that you can say those people knew what they were getting into when the picked up a cigarette.

It would be like if one day they announced that microwaves if used for 65 years can cause radiation poisoning. Do you know that microwaves are dangerous? I think you can guess that the radar waves moving through food to heat it up isn't the safest, just as inhaling smoke isn't the safest, but I have no clue if it is actually harmful. The same scenario applies to smoking. There is one thing to say, yeah, I think this isn't good for my body but it is a whole different beast to learn the mountain of harm smoking really does. Don't like the microwave example? What if I told you airliners had research that said flying so high in a plane was dangerous to your organs...or oxygen consumption that effects the body. What if they KNEW it was that bad and didn't tell you. Shame on you for not knowing flying 20,000 feet was dangerous to your health. Of course neither of those examples are true (at least I hope not!) but they make a point.

I may not support all personal injury attorneys, but I think you misunderstand the system completely. If a lawsuit is crap there are a million ways to have it thrown out. If it has no merit, the judge can kick it out right away AND the lawyer gets disciplined. If it makes it far enough to actually get to trial, you have a jury of your peers sitting there to recognize the truth of the case. Sometimes accidents happen and sometimes the one suing is at fault. EVEN if the player is somewhat at fault for knowing football is dangerous, the system permits awarding recovery proportionally to the fault (all jurisdictions vary in application).

Do you truly believe that the people who were harmed by smoking were trying to get something for nothing? I think you need to do some more research on what actually happened. Look at the marketing campaigns of the companies and their claims. Also, look at the research and information that they hid from the public. There is a reason that despite the "cash cow" that helped build out country, the companies took a major blow and are still paying for those commercials you see on television educating people on the effects of smoking.

I love your comment about "so bad it should be shut down." It should be shut down, but it can never happen. It isn't just the financial support and lobbying that keeps it alive, it is the fact that once we Americans are given something, no one can take it away on principle. Remember, we tried that...it was called prohibition...and boy did that work great. Instead, we settle with the "Buyer Beware" warnings so people at least have knowledge of the dangers of their choices.

I am not here to say this lawsuit isn't crap, it may very well be. I have no idea what the players knew when they entered the league and I have no idea on the research the NFL allegedly hid. The point is that we can't rush to the broad assumption that because the players knew it was a violent sport they lose all abilities to recover damages. Look at it from the other side. Why was the NFL researching this? Once they gained information, why were they hiding it? If it didn't matter and the players would play anyway, why not publicly release the study.

 

[CANDolphan]

I smoked for 25 years before I quit, and I am still on the side of the tobacco companies. So, to say I don't know what I am talking about is a load of crap.

But as you are "in the industry" as you say, I can see why you defend this crap. Only those "in the industry" defend these lawsuits this way. People need to take responsibility for their own damn lives, and not live on the basis that anything bad that happens is someone else's fault which deserves a big payday.

"I'm not debating it because I don't believe there is a debate" Boy those are some words to live by. Please, give me some more life lessons. Oh my god, you were a smoker for 25 years!? Wow, it's almost like you were fully aware of the risks of smoking cigarettes which everyone else was not . Mind if I asked why you quit? Is it because you knew it was bad for you? Man, I wonder how you were aware it was such a bad life choice. How you knew that it would have such ill effects on you? It couldn't possibly be because these OVERLY LITIGOUS PEOPLE who should be LOCKED IN JAIL (... yeah. Stupid...) had something to do with it by forcing the tobacco company to do something about. No, that'd be too easy, Dr. Phin!

You have no idea what you're talking about again and yet you open your mouth and continue to say absolutely stupid things that are not only insulting but completely unfounded... again. You're right, there is no debate here, because at this point I'd see better results trying to teach a dog sign language. At least there would be a SIGN of intelligent life.

I absolutely guarantee that if something bad happened to you, or your family, that was similar in result to what happened to those in the cigarette campaign, or in this lawsuit, or hell even the McDonald's coffee case, you'd come running to an attorney. And he would hear your case. And guess what? If it was legitimate, he would represent. If it wasn't? He'd pass! But, HOW?! We're all crooks and thieves who just take money off people who want those not responsible to pay for THEIR mistakes?

You're right, there are some attorneys, and some people, who will sue over everything and skirt the line. There are doctors who will defraud medicaid. There are people who will jack up hours. There are mechanics who will lie and charge you $500 for taillight fluid. There are ****ty people in every profession. The thing is... You have no clue how our judicial system works. Civilly (that is private lawsuits), if you think anyone can sue anyone over anything without reprocussions. It's already been touched on, but that just DOESN'T HAPPEN. Sadly, the media and certain groups slant things so that those who do not have access to information (or people like you who simply refuse to educate themselves no matter how little you know) are given a view that, if they go uncontested, are completely biased. It's sad.

What do you do for a living, while we are insulting each others' choice in career, DR. Phin? I'm gonna take a wild shot in the dark and say it's not a doctor.