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Dolphins blew it with passing on Herbert

BigNastyFish said:
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Unsure. He's missed too much time.

Beyond that -- you're right. I'll work on my math

as long as you're not afraid to crit the QB as well.

Case solved!
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I’m not, in fact I looked at some of the videos and Tua was facing 4 and 5 man pressures all game. Fitz was facing 4 man pressures but it was consistently 4. There was still pressure it’s not like he was making sandwiches back there like Deshaun Watson was ( I watched the whole Pats game before outs). What I’m saying is was Fitz favinv slightly less pressure? Yes, but this theory that he was “sitting back” and giving him completionS is BS IMO.

I can admit this was simply a case of Fitz having more experience, knowing the offense better and even probably having better chemistry with the skill players. I can’t see how that take could hurt any feelings, seems captain obvious, but it will.

that being said Fitz isn’t leading us to the SB so who cares. Stay the course with Tua and let him develop. Playoffs would be gravy, the team is not there yet.

I’m not admitting Herbert is better than Tua for like 4 or 5 years. KC, Miami, Denver Herbert threw back breaking picks that swung the game. I’m not crowning him as the 2nd coming of Christ until that is fixed.
 
DolfanISS said:
I’m not, in fact I looked at some of the videos and Tua was facing 4 and 5 man pressures all game. Fitz was facing 4 man pressures but it was consistently 4. There was still pressure it’s not like he was making sandwiches back there like Deshaun Watson was ( I watched the whole Pats game before outs). What I’m saying is was Fitz favinv slightly less pressure? Yes, but this theory that he was “sitting back” and giving him completionS is BS IMO.

I can admit this was simply a case of Fitz having more experience, knowing the offense better and even probably having better chemistry with the skill players. I can’t see how that take could hurt any feelings, seems captain obvious, but it will.

that being said Fitz isn’t leading us to the SB so who cares. Stay the course with Tua and let him develop. Playoffs would be gravy, the team is not there yet.

I’m not admitting Herbert is better than Tua for like 4 or 5 years. KC, Miami, Denver Herbert threw back breaking picks that swung the game. I’m not crowning him as the 2nd coming of Christ until that is fixed.
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I didn't mention Fitz.

And frankly could care less.

Tua was pretty awful.

Nothing to do with Fitz.

He's irrelevant to the teams future. Unless a coach.

Have fun...
 
next-year said:
Oh, so the guy who started 4 full years in college and was able to participate in full capacity during the offseason is playing better than a junior who came out with only a season and a half of college ball under his belt and missed most of his first NFL offseason?

The expectations on this kid are so absurd. last week we celebrated the 1 year anniversary of an injury people thought he may never come back from. Most of us were fine with giving him a redshirt year. Now he starts, doesn't look that great ( even though we're winning) and people are our here talking about "we missed guy's it's over". I don't understand how you can't look at this situation and rationalize Tua not being good enough.


Herbert
Keenan Allen 605 rec - 7240 yds ( tactician of a route runner, creates space, vet who knows the game)
Mike Williams ( 1st rnd 7th overall) 132 rec 2263 yds, ( phenomenal deep ball threat wins 50/50's)
Hunter Henry ( 2nd rnd picked 35 overall) 177 rec, 2144 yds ( solid blocker and above-average receiving threat)

Total- 914 rec, 11,647 yds

Burrow
Aj Green 637 rec, 9264 yds, ( Vet presence that has clearly helped this receiver room, knows the game inside and out, while old still performs)
Tyler Boyd ( 2nd rnd 55th overall) 311rec , 3612 yds, ( Another route running tactician (reminds me so much of Keenan) , creates space)
Tee Higgins (2 rnd picked 33 overall) 43 red, 629 yds, ( Outstanding rookie who has been consistently getting open )

Total- 991 rec, 13,505 yds

Tua
Devante Parker 279 rec 3942 yds, (Wins jump balls, poor route runner who has underperformed to this point in his career)
Jakeem Grant ( 6th rnd 186 overall) 77rec, 876 yds, (Has flashed as an underneath threat, unreliable hands, gets bodied by virtually all CBS)
Mike Gesicki ( 2nd rnd 44th overall) 101 rec, 1106 (Has flashed his enormous ability, poor blocker, has been inconsistent )

Total - 457 rec 5,924 yds

After looking at this it starts to get a better idea of how green our offense as a whole really is. I didn't even include the fact that our O-line has 3 rookies starting on it. Rookies lean on receivers to get going in the NFL as comfort blankets and start broadening out across the group. Take a look at Herbert with Keenan, he's getting about 11 targets a game or Burrow with Boyd who is averaging around 9 targets a game.

Tua NEEDS a guy who can create separation quickly (i.e. Keenan Allen, Tyler Boyd, Michael Thomas, Stephon Diggs, Robert Woods, AJ Brown etc.) that can take advantage of ball placement and eat up YAC. We sort of saw this developing with Preston before he, unfortunately, went down.

Final statement- Relax, things will start working out, Tua is playing let's be happy about that first.
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Thank you.....someone gets it.....and now I don't have to post this.
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
Its the fact that after the HALF, they don't score!

The Chargers offense has serious issues after adjustments are made, in at least 5 games. I believe it was the NO game, they came out and had 2 straight 3 and outs. Herbert was getting hit and the ball was sailing on him as he lost any semblance of footwork....what did the Chargers have to do? The next serious they ran it 3 straight times, punt. But they were able to get the ball moving again on the 4th series.


Herbert can not carry his team with all his starts and personnel at this point. And neither can Tua.

But watching Herbert in some of those loses, you see what he struggles with. And alot of it followed from Oregon.
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So after getting a big lead, the team tries to protect it? Man, screw those teams. I'm glad no one else in the league faces this dilemma.
 
Miami is playing better than we all thought..even if we get to playoff..we might get blow out. We all need pump our brake a little bit and enjoy ride. We are not there yet but we are getting there.
 
39wildman said:
Miami is playing better than we all thought..even if we get to playoff..we might get blow out. We all need pump our brake a little bit and enjoy ride. We are not there yet but we are getting there.
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Exactly... We might sneak in... but if we get there, we really don't have the roster for late season games.
 
39wildman said:
Miami is playing better than we all thought..even if we get to playoff..we might get blow out. We all need pump our brake a little bit and enjoy ride. We are not there yet but we are getting there.
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yo! where you been wildman?
 
Joe Dolfan said:
So after getting a big lead, the team tries to protect it? Man, screw those teams. I'm glad no one else in the league faces this dilemma.
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Protect it or lose it?

Those 3 and outs, while the opponents are scoring.....led to tight 4th quarters.

5 of which, they lost.
 
The issue is that Tua is playing scared and conservative mixed with an instinct to want to go downfield. His reads are there but he's not pulling the trigger on cheap yards. It may have to do with how Saban drills into QB's minds about ball security and not turning over the ball. But he's got to let it rip.

And I think the other thing is he's pressing for the big play, contrary to everyone thinking he isn't. He's used to downfield vertical passing. That's in his DNA. He WANTS to be aggressive and push the ball downfield. But he's gotta realize he's got Perry, Gesicki, etc open on the shorter routes when the deep shot isn't there.

He need's to start pushing for completions to get into a rhythm. 4-8 yard completions are his cheat passes that will get him in the flow to get downfield more. You saw it in the first drive. He pushed it downfield twice to Grant. Push it downfield, next time get cheap yards, get the first down then push it again downfield. He's gotta get in that mindset.
 
Rivers was just an above average QB who always thought he was better than he was. I’m not knocking him but he was a stat collector, but he was decent and nothing more. In his mind he thought he was Marino or Elway and thought he could gun sling it in the 4th quarters, and he failed big time more times than not. If had a quarter for every dumb interception he threw with the game on the line. So many boneheaded throws from Rivers. A lot of people were enamored because he liked to sling it so they’re blind to all his failures. He would have been a better QB under Parcells or Marty Schottenheimer because those coaches would have kept him real
Smokedogg1973 said:
True but Rivers didn't put up the kind of numbers Herbert has when he was with the Chargers the last few years with the same weapons and having Gordon at RB as well. Also there is no way Tyrod Taylor would be putting up these kinds of numbers if he was the starter this whole time instead of Herbert. In fact the Chargers offense looked like crap in Week 1 at the Bengals when Taylor played compared to how they have looked since then with Herbert playing. Those are just the fact
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Yessir said:
This thread is going to be a hilarious bump after 2 years passes
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It could be. I hope it is. Man, I really hope it is.

edit: I'm sick of rooting for a losing (NFL) team. I first got into football in... the third grade? The Niners beat the team for whom I was rooting, the Bengals, because I liked their helmets. Then I became a Dolphins fan, and they eventually went on to the SB against the Redskins. I had to vacuum my mother's boyfriend's office for a while after they lost that SB, thanks to John Riggins and his 4th down run. I was only going to get a six pack of Pepsi if they won. Then, Miami drafted Marino. Even the youngest of fans here know what happened after that.
 
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