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Dolphins blew it with passing on Herbert

mrbunglez said:
It’s isn’t just my take. It’s written in the NFL bylaws to always root for the QB.
Ps if Flores didn’t agree with me he would’ve taken a DE at the #5 spot instead of a QB.
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...maybe the owner of the team?

When in doubt -- default to Clown position!
 
Look,
BigNastyFish said:
Golly. Someone thinks kind of highly of themselves!

Wow. Didn't realize we have "mister football wizard" among us!

:lol:

>>> you were just being provocative, right?
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No, I don't think highly of myself, I also don't post comments that have zero football IQ behind it either though. Not saying Mach2 does, as he actually was much more mature than I was in handling our conversation, but most posters with their posts that sound like their football experience is Madden or backyard football make this place almost unbearable.
 
Herbert’s playing good football. Gets away with some things with his arm but that’s what guys with physical tools like that can do. Shown it was a college offense ask limitation not a qb driven one
 
RobertHorry said:
Look,


No, I don't think highly of myself, I also don't post comments that have zero football IQ behind it either though. Not saying Mach2 does, as he actually was much more mature than I was in handling our conversation, but most posters with their posts that sound like their football experience is Madden or backyard football make this place almost unbearable.
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That's a great idea my friend!

Come up with a "Football IQ test" and make every poster take it and then publish their pathetic
score. Sort of like a 13 wonderlic = you gotta be pretty dumb. I bet Patchy scores in the 40s!
 
BigNastyFish said:
That's a great idea my friend!

Come up with a "Football IQ test" and make every poster take it and then publish their pathetic
score. Sort of like a 13 wonderlic = you gotta be pretty dumb. I bet Patchy scores in the
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Or one can just read the posts of others to see their IQ...
 
Feverdream said:
Herbert is the type of QB that I prefer as well... that said, neither guy has proved anything yet.

Though, I will grant that Herbert looks like a guy who will be a gunslinger in this league for a long time. I would have rather we'd taken him... but I haven't closed the book on Tua yet. In the long run, he may touch pass and game manage his way into my heart, but in order to do that... he has to win, and currently, we are winning despite him, rather than because of him.
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This type of logic is flawed and ill tell you why. First off, I have skin in the game as I play fantasy ball and have herbert as a QB. I like him a lot. Im not a hater or anything like that.

Until at least next season we will not know for sure that Herbert will be a gunslinger in this league for a long time. In the hot take era, it is easy to make these kind of statements, but they have no basis in reality. Why?

Because the first offseason is when D coordinators have a ton of time to sit down and analyze QBs. This is why Lamar Jackson went from MVP candidate to mediocre QB this year. It’s why Kapernick went from SB QB to pretty terrible in one season. DCs found all the Throws they could not make and basically make them make those throws far more in their 2nd full season. The elite QBs adjust and make those throws. That is why they are elite QBs.

My point is that I suspect Herbert will be a great QB but we need to see how he does next season first. He has issues with accuracy and DCs will find throws he struggles with and he will have to make them far more often.

If he adjusts and makes those throws, I definitely will agree that he’s a stud QB and gunslinger.

All that said, Tua has the exact tools to adjust faster and make every single NFL throw with accuracy. So while he is struggling early and Herbert is not, it simply does not translate to long term yet. Tua is making fast reads but hes not seeing guys getting open, because quite honestly they are not. He has made a lot of rather difficult throws into tight windows but apparently that’s not good enough for many folks here who have already deemed him a bust.

If Tua was missing tons of open guys and panicking and throwing picks, I’d be more concerned. But he has not shown me any real reason to feel panic yet. The reality is we have no route runner close to the level of Keenan Allen. Mike Williams is better than Preston Williams. Our TE’s are not as skilled as Hunter Henry and when Ekeler returns, he is far better than Matt Breida.

We have a bad supporting cast around Tua and so as a result he will have bad games. If we had a fully built OL, a stud RB and a strong WR core Already I’d be very concerned, but thats not the case.

I just find it funny how people say Tua needs a good OL and WRs to be good. You could apply that exact same argument to Tom Brady.
 
SammySmif said:
This type of logic is flawed and ill tell you why. First off, I have skin in the game as I play fantasy ball and have herbert as a QB. I like him a lot. Im not a hater or anything like that.

Until at least next season we will not know for sure that Herbert will be a gunslinger in this league for a long time. In the hot take era, it is easy to make these kind of statements, but they have no basis in reality. Why?

Because the first offseason is when D coordinators have a ton of time to sit down and analyze QBs. This is why Lamar Jackson went from MVP candidate to mediocre QB this year. It’s why Kapernick went from SB QB to pretty terrible in one season. DCs found all the Throws they could not make and basically make them make those throws far more in their 2nd full season. The elite QBs adjust and make those throws. That is why they are elite QBs.

My point is that I suspect Herbert will be a great QB but we need to see how he does next season first. He has issues with accuracy and DCs will find throws he struggles with and he will have to make them far more often.

If he adjusts and makes those throws, I definitely will agree that he’s a stud QB and gunslinger.

All that said, Tua has the exact tools to adjust faster and make every single NFL throw with accuracy. So while he is struggling early and Herbert is not, it simply does not translate to long term yet. Tua is making fast reads but hes not seeing guys getting open, because quite honestly they are not. He has made a lot of rather difficult throws into tight windows but apparently that’s not good enough for many folks here who have already deemed him a bust.

If Tua was missing tons of open guys and panicking and throwing picks, I’d be more concerned. But he has not shown me any real reason to feel panic yet. The reality is we have no route runner close to the level of Keenan Allen. Mike Williams is better than Preston Williams. Our TE’s are not as skilled as Hunter Henry and when Ekeler returns, he is far better than Matt Breida.

We have a bad supporting cast around Tua and so as a result he will have bad games. If we had a fully built OL, a stud RB and a strong WR core Already I’d be very concerned, but thats not the case.

I just find it funny how people say Tua needs a good OL and WRs to be good. You could apply that exact same argument to Tom Brady.
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My premise was that neither guy has proved anything yet... and that Herbert 'looked' like he was going to be a gunslinger... and you suggest that somehow this statement lacks logic? Really?

I think you are arguing against something that I didn't say. My first point was that there was no answer yet... and my second was that it 'looks' like the answer MIGHT be that Herbert will be a gunslinger.

huh... I didn't even predict that he'd be good, only that upon first appearance, that...
 
nick1 said:
Talent around him is meaningless in college. Tua was accurate as they come. Go watch the film
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He hasn't been accurate for us... he has missed almost every deep ball... especially when moving.

Note: I am NOT saying that this will continue, only that this has been the case so far.
 
Feverdream said:
My premise was that neither guy has proved anything yet... and that Herbert 'looked' like he was going to be a gunslinger... and you suggest that somehow this statement lacks logic? Really?

I think you are arguing against something that I didn't say. My first point was that there was no answer yet... and my second was that it 'looks' like the answer MIGHT be that Herbert will be a gunslinger.

huh... I didn't even predict that he'd be good, only that upon first appearance, that...
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Yes but you clearly said “long time” Did you not? So yes - really.

We need to see these guys a few seasons in due to what I posted above. I read you say that you will grant that Herbert looks like he will be a gunslinger for a long time. I’d say he looks like a gunslinger during this season, but a long time - we don’t know until we see how he adjusts next year.
 
Feverdream said:
He hasn't been accurate for us... he has missed almost every deep ball... especially when moving.

Note: I am NOT saying that this will continue, only that this has been the case so far.
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There is just as much blame to be laid on catches being made on the weak corps we have. I could give quite a few examples of Grant and Williams simply pulling up and not completing their routes.
 
SammySmif said:
Yes but you clearly said “long time” Did you not? So yes - really.

We need to see these guys a few seasons in due to what I posted above. I read you say that you will grant that Herbert looks like he will be a gunslinger for a long time. I’d say he looks like a gunslinger during this season, but a long time - we don’t know until we see how he adjusts next year.
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Yes, it APPEARS that Herbert might be a LONG TIME gunslinger in this league... It also appears that Chase Young will be a long-time pass rusher...

I'm not sure why you are being so pedantic about a first blush take.
 
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