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Dolphins fans who have criticized the hiring of Adam Gase generally make the same point: This is the fourth consecutive time the Dolphins have taken an offensive assistant coach and made him a head coach --- an approach that clearly hasn’t worked here, at least pre-Gase. Whereas Tony Sparano had been an offensive line coach, Cam Cameron and Joe Philbin (like Gase) were NFL coordinators before Miami hired them.
So we started wondering: Generally how successful is this strategy of hiring offensive coordinators as first-time NFL head coaches? Here’s what we discovered:
### Since 2000, there have been 20 occasions in which a team hired a head coach who had been serving as an offensive coordinator in his previous job and had no NFL head-coaching experience, like Gase.
Of those 20, only five have produced winning records in their first head coaching jobs: Green Bay’s Mike McCarthy (104-55) and his predecessor Mike Sherman (57-39), ex-Rams coach Mike Martz (53-32), former Vikings coach Brad Childress (39-35) and Cowboys coach Jason Garrett (45-43).
### This is discouraging: Since 2000, AFC teams have hired 11 head coaches who were an offensive coordinator in their previous job and hadn’t coached an NFL team before. Of those 11, not a single one produced a winning record in that first head coaching job; Gary Kubiak (61-64 in Houston, two playoff appearances in eight seasons there) was the only one who was even somewhat successful in that first job. (He's now with Denver.)
The others: Cameron (1-15), Philbin (24-28), the Browns’ Pat Shurmur (9-23) and Rob Chudzinski (4-12), Buffalo’s Mike Mularkey (14-18), Denver’s Josh McDaniels (11-17; Gase was his receivers coach), Kansas City’s Todd Haley (19-26) and Oakland’s Bill Callahan (15-17), Lane Kiffin (5-15) and Hue Jackson (8-8).
Those 11 AFC coaches produced only six winning records and four playoff berths in 29 combined seasons and won 39.6 percent of their games. Gase, incidentally, said he wanted to return to the AFC.

Please click on the link for the rest of the article. I hope Adam and his coaching staff can get this team turned around.
 
Does not matter to me, here is why...Gase seems to have an "it" factor about him. He is different than anything we have seen in the previous coaches.

Is it a hunch? Yep, but I like my gut feeling right now.
 
I have to agree with those statistics. Seems just as difficult to get a winning HC as it does to get a franchise QB. From here on out 3 year's max for a HC to get to the playoffs. 3 Max and if no better than 6-7 wins one or 2 years.
 
I honestly think this comparison means nothing. How good/bad were those teams those coaches inherited? WHAT WAS THEIR QB SITUATION? 3 of them weren't given more than two seasons. Maybe some were just bad choices. I think this comes down more to the individual, the staff he hires, than whether or not he was an offensive coordinator hired to be a head coach. I think it's a fair question, but for me, I don't think Gase is doomed to failure/mediocrity just because those other coaches "failed".
I'm not either pro- or anti-Gase, I'm really on the fence with this hire. I just don't know what to think. But I'm willing to hope a little, with muted expectations. So I'm not defending him blindly.
 
Yeah but Peyton Manning likes him so that endorsement should be good for about 3 or 4 wins right out of the gates.
 
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Daytona Fin said:
Yeah but Peyton Manning likes him so that condolence should be good for about 3 or 4 wins right out of the gates.
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Or Gase has had a diverse group of coaches he has worked under as were the QB's he worked with that should allow him to find success as a coach.

Maybe his work with Manning might lead to wins in the end.

Look, I know you wanted experience. So did I. However, Gase has experience play calling in big games and had success.

Gase will do a nice job.
 
Hayden Fox said:
Or Gase has had a diverse group of coaches he has worked under as were the QB's he worked with that should allow him to find success as a coach.

Maybe his work with Manning might lead to wins in the end.

However, Gase has experience play calling in big games and had success.
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Ground breaking stuff right there. I'm on the edge of my seat with excitement for 2016.
 
Teams generally fire their head coaches because they are a bad teams, with few exceptions such as Denver last year. It generally takes years to fix bad teams and instill new philosophies and systems, thus not fair to judge a lot of those offensive coordinators turned head coaches in year 1.
 
I'm not all that excited about our new coach either having wanted an experienced guy. We've seen this movie before with a first timer learning (mostly not learning) on the job. You guys know the names. Will Gase be different ? Who knows. He's got a good offensive resume for sure and respected people think he'll do great. Same can be said for our last three coaches. Rogers thought the world of Philbin.
But here's the bottom line for me. He's the coach. He's going to be the coach for the foreseeable future.
I love my team and want them to succeed there fore I will support the new guy and hope for the best.
I suspect most fans will do the same.
Go get um coach Gase :snoopy:
 
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Does not matter to me, here is why...Gase seems to have an "it" factor about him. He is different than anything we have seen in the previous coaches.

Is it a hunch? Yep, but I like my gut feeling right now.
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Everyone thinks their coach is different.

Gase will be another victim to Miami's dysfunction.

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fishfanmiami said:
I'm not all that excited about our new coach either having wanted an experienced guy. We've seen this movie before with a first timer learning (mostly not learning) on the job. You guys know the names. Will Gase be different ? Who knows. He's got a good offensive resume for sure and respected people think he'll do great. Same can be said for our last three coaches.
But here's the bottom line for me. He's the coach. He's going to be the coach for the foreseeable future.
I love my team and want them to succeed there fore I will support the new guy and hope for the best.
I suspect most fans will do the same.
Go get um coach Gase :snoopy:
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Well stated. Not excited, but I'm pulling for him to be successful and hoping for the best.
 
Well there was only one premiere defensive candidate and that was Teryl Austin this season.
At the start of the season I had tabbed him as a potential replacement for Philbin.
Austin interviewed for a bunch of jobs but didn't get any. It's possible that this was a candidate pool issue.
 
Everyone can dissect trends and statistics until they're blue in the face, but the fact of that matter is that there is no recipe to a good coach. If there was, every franchise would follow it and coaching turnover would be really low. The characteristics that make a good coach cannot be quantified, so it's absurd to try. You can't put statistics on leadership, motivation, or conflict management. They are characteristics you have or you don't, and it is up to the interviewer to determine if the candidates have them. Some owners are fantastic at identifying these traits, like the Rooneys and Maras. Others are terrible at it, as we know all too well.

All these articles that compare vague similarities between coaches do is rile up fans who want a sure thing. I mean, if we went by trends, John Harbaugh was a special teams coach and, as far as I know is the only one promoted straight to HC, which means special teams coaches are great HCs 100% of the time. Such an absurd statement, but as absurd as saying that Gase is likely to fail because most AFC coaches who were OCs fail. If he fails it'll have nothing to do with other coaches and everything to do with a deficiency in a trait that a head coach needs.
 
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