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I started an earlier thread about how the Phins stack up to the rest of the AFC East, and there were some interesting discussions. The pats, bills, and Jets fans who lurk on this forum were not short in their opinions, most of them disagreeing with mine, no surprise. One even resorted to insulting my avatar.

In any case, one of the more interesting discussions was a comparison of our defense to the Pats defense. For what it's worth this is what I think:

Secondary - advantage Patriots

Look, I'm not belittling our secondary, in fact I think our secondary got better by moving Jason Allen to corner and with the emergence of Jerimiah bell. Having said that, none of our corners are better than Asante Samuel, and I don't think our safties are better than Rodney Harrison when his healthy. Brandon Merriweather should also give us nightmares for years to come once he gets through his rookie year.

Linebacker - Advantage Dolphins

No sooner than I finished typing the s in Dolphins when I already heard the cat calls from the patriots fans. Okay, here's what I'm thinking:

We predominately run a 3-4 scheme, and in a 3-4 scheme, Jason Taylor is an outside linebacker. We move him around alot, but when you consider that, our linebacking corps is better than the pats. Jason Taylor is better than Adalius Thomas. I think Zach Thomas is better than Teddy Bruschi. And I'll take Channing Crowder and Joey Porter over whoever else the pats have left. :D

Defensive Line - Dolphins

I know what you're thinking. Ty Warren? Wilfork? Richard Seymour? Definitely a really good D-line. But, the bottom line is that the Patriots allowed an average of 3.9 yards per rush whereas the fins only allowed 3.5. The pats had 44 sacks, we had 47 sacks. This is also even more impressive when one considers that we were playing from behind more often than not and teams were running on us more than passing. Here is where I got those stats:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/NE/2006/regular
http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/MIA/2006/regular

The bottom line. Miami has a better defense than New England. Both improved over the offseason...
 
Yes our defense is better, but not by much. However, their offense is light years ahead of ours.
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I think we have a better defense than Pats, but they have a better offense. I think the Pats LB's are getting old and if Assante Samuel holds out their d-back's overall talent level drops a lot. We usually play well against the Pats and our D tore them up in our 21-0 win. But the bottom line is the Pats find ways to win and get into the playoffs because they play smart. The Phins have a way to go to gel on offense....we also seem to lose a lot of close games, something the Pats rarely do.
 
Asante Samuel may be traded or hold out..... he doesn't want to sign the franchise player contract. Hard to believe he or lance Briggs could ignore that kinda money for one season
 
I think both defenses are on par with one another. We have a slight edge at the linebacker position, but that may change with the addition of the versatile Adalius Thomas as a Patriot.

If you count Jason Taylor as a linebacker and not as an end, I think that gives New England the edge on the d-line. They have a much better secondary than we have, though.
 
Lets hope that we are right about the defense and a little wrong about the offense. I meant that if our offense is not a as bad as people are saying especially compared to the patriots. I think that if our offense can come close to competing with them then our defense will win it for us...
 
WaywardZest said:
Yes our defense is better, but not by much. However, their offense is light years ahead of ours.
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That pretty much sums it up. Though their secondary is light years ahead of ours too. And their offense would've been ahead of ours even if they didn't get Stallworth and Moss. Reason? Better OL and better QB.
 
Kyndig said:
I started an earlier thread about how the Phins stack up to the rest of the AFC East, and there were some interesting discussions. The pats, bills, and Jets fans who lurk on this forum were not short in their opinions, most of them disagreeing with mine, no surprise. One even resorted to insulting my avatar.

In any case, one of the more interesting discussions was a comparison of our defense to the Pats defense. For what it's worth this is what I think:

Secondary - advantage Patriots

Look, I'm not belittling our secondary, in fact I think our secondary got better by moving Jason Allen to corner and with the emergence of Jerimiah bell. Having said that, none of our corners are better than Asante Samuel, and I don't think our safties are better than Rodney Harrison when his healthy. Brandon Merriweather should also give us nightmares for years to come once he gets through his rookie year.

Linebacker - Advantage Dolphins

No sooner than I finished typing the s in Dolphins when I already heard the cat calls from the patriots fans. Okay, here's what I'm thinking:

We predominately run a 3-4 scheme, and in a 3-4 scheme, Jason Taylor is an outside linebacker. We move him around alot, but when you consider that, our linebacking corps is better than the pats. Jason Taylor is better than Adalius Thomas. I think Zach Thomas is better than Teddy Bruschi. And I'll take Channing Crowder and Joey Porter over whoever else the pats have left. :D

Defensive Line - Dolphins

I know what you're thinking. Ty Warren? Wilfork? Richard Seymour? Definitely a really good D-line. But, the bottom line is that the Patriots allowed an average of 3.9 yards per rush whereas the fins only allowed 3.5. The pats had 44 sacks, we had 47 sacks. This is also even more impressive when one considers that we were playing from behind more often than not and teams were running on us more than passing. Here is where I got those stats:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/NE/2006/regular
http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/MIA/2006/regular

The bottom line. Miami has a better defense than New England. Both improved over the offseason...
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I give our linebackers the advantage over the pats...Their secondary is much better than ours, but i think our d line and linebackers are better than theirs...

Sorry...thought it read Pats Linebackers were better than ours...
 
Kyndig said:
I started an earlier thread about how the Phins stack up to the rest of the AFC East, and there were some interesting discussions. The pats, bills, and Jets fans who lurk on this forum were not short in their opinions, most of them disagreeing with mine, no surprise. One even resorted to insulting my avatar.

In any case, one of the more interesting discussions was a comparison of our defense to the Pats defense. For what it's worth this is what I think:

Secondary - advantage Patriots

Look, I'm not belittling our secondary, in fact I think our secondary got better by moving Jason Allen to corner and with the emergence of Jerimiah bell. Having said that, none of our corners are better than Asante Samuel, and I don't think our safties are better than Rodney Harrison when his healthy. Brandon Merriweather should also give us nightmares for years to come once he gets through his rookie year.

Linebacker - Advantage Dolphins

No sooner than I finished typing the s in Dolphins when I already heard the cat calls from the patriots fans. Okay, here's what I'm thinking:

We predominately run a 3-4 scheme, and in a 3-4 scheme, Jason Taylor is an outside linebacker. We move him around alot, but when you consider that, our linebacking corps is better than the pats. Jason Taylor is better than Adalius Thomas. I think Zach Thomas is better than Teddy Bruschi. And I'll take Channing Crowder and Joey Porter over whoever else the pats have left. :D

Defensive Line - Dolphins

I know what you're thinking. Ty Warren? Wilfork? Richard Seymour? Definitely a really good D-line. But, the bottom line is that the Patriots allowed an average of 3.9 yards per rush whereas the fins only allowed 3.5. The pats had 44 sacks, we had 47 sacks. This is also even more impressive when one considers that we were playing from behind more often than not and teams were running on us more than passing. Here is where I got those stats:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/NE/2006/regular
http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/MIA/2006/regular

The bottom line. Miami has a better defense than New England. Both improved over the offseason...
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i agree with you but the pats offence is so much better than the phins it puts them in better position to play a better defence. now if the phins offence was as good as the pats, theres no telling how good the phins defence is
 
even on deffense when it counts ( playoffs )they step up n make turnovers so over all they r the much better team, n i am a phins fan so dont shoot me
 
Couple of points which you seem to completely ingore and not address
1) No of points allowed . Pats totalled a franchise record last year and even thought the yards are better they yeild no points. Points are more important as in the end that what counts.

2)J.T and porter are bad in coverage and their is going to cause TE and Slot receiver to clean house. especially in running game when a fb 2 te offence is leading the RB.

3)Porter is coming from a down year and also is in a new system where he will be asked to cover ...doh and you expect a jump in performace .I will believe it when i see it.

4)Taking about LB you leave out Vrabel and Colvin who are as effective in the system as brushi for some reason.Also, they are playing in the same system as last.

5)J.T conversion from DE to OLB is harder in upper 30`s usually you give take a young prospect and do the conversion over some years and bring them later.The reads from breaking coverage is harder.for example SD aligned all its WR on the rigt and keep gates on the left which means a OLB on him then J.T on gates is a huge mismatch.AD on the game against SD played safety,free safety ,ILB and OLB and his assigment was gates [25 ydrs receiving]....can J.T do that cover gates?

6)If you play preasure 3-4 you need to hope that the OL of theother team does not hold up as SD found out they blitzed brady to no end and the OL head with TE support which negated the whole preasure 3-4 .
 
satz said:
Couple of points which you seem to completely ingore and not address
1) No of points allowed . Pats totalled a franchise record last year and even thought the yards are better they yeild no points. Points are more important as in the end that what counts.

2)J.T and porter are bad in coverage and their is going to cause TE and Slot receiver to clean house. especially in running game when a fb 2 te offence is leading the RB.

3)Porter is coming from a down year and also is in a new system where he will be asked to cover ...doh and you expect a jump in performace .I will believe it when i see it.

4)Taking about LB you leave out Vrabel and Colvin who are as effective in the system as brushi for some reason.Also, they are playing in the same system as last.

5)J.T conversion from DE to OLB is harder in upper 30`s usually you give take a young prospect and do the conversion over some years and bring them later.The reads from breaking coverage is harder.for example SD aligned all its WR on the rigt and keep gates on the left which means a OLB on him then J.T on gates is a huge mismatch.AD on the game against SD played safety,free safety ,ILB and OLB and his assigment was gates [25 ydrs receiving]....can J.T do that cover gates?

6)If you play preasure 3-4 you need to hope that the OL of theother team does not hold up as SD found out they blitzed brady to no end and the OL head with TE support which negated the whole preasure 3-4 .
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Outstanding post my friend
Great examples used unlike the "general" comments by most of the fin fans who cannot even spell offense or defense but they are fin fans!

Waiting for replies to your educated post but I think most fin fans get tired after trying to read more than one paragraph in a sitting:sidelol:
 
satz said:
Couple of points which you seem to completely ingore and not address
1) No of points allowed . Pats totalled a franchise record last year and even thought the yards are better they yeild no points. Points are more important as in the end that what counts.

2)J.T and porter are bad in coverage and their is going to cause TE and Slot receiver to clean house. especially in running game when a fb 2 te offence is leading the RB.

3)Porter is coming from a down year and also is in a new system where he will be asked to cover ...doh and you expect a jump in performace .I will believe it when i see it.

4)Taking about LB you leave out Vrabel and Colvin who are as effective in the system as brushi for some reason.Also, they are playing in the same system as last.

5)J.T conversion from DE to OLB is harder in upper 30`s usually you give take a young prospect and do the conversion over some years and bring them later.The reads from breaking coverage is harder.for example SD aligned all its WR on the rigt and keep gates on the left which means a OLB on him then J.T on gates is a huge mismatch.AD on the game against SD played safety,free safety ,ILB and OLB and his assigment was gates [25 ydrs receiving]....can J.T do that cover gates?

6)If you play preasure 3-4 you need to hope that the OL of theother team does not hold up as SD found out they blitzed brady to no end and the OL head with TE support which negated the whole preasure 3-4 .
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You expect Joey Porter to be worse then Donnie Spragan? If he isn't and is better then him then YES the defense will be even better then it was last year.

21-0 ring a bell? :loser:
 
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