Dolphins double standard

[TorontoFin]

With the exception of McMike and Ricky, most of the other players' troubles (I'm not clear on what exactly Boston did for his 'simple assault) were before they even stepped onto an NFL field, so I'm not going to judge Crowder Roth, and Wright, until they do something in a phins uniform -- after all, the question is how do we feel about them being fins, right?
That said, the negative history is stacked worse than any team I've seen. We have the potential of being worse than the drugstore cowboys IF most of these players don't reform themselves. McMike's situation scares me. He's been only CAUGHT twice in two years, and guys who hit women don't reform easily. Ricky also, because I just don't think the guy is all there upstairs. That's less worrisome, however. I never thought I'd say this a year ago, but he's somewhat expendable.
I think the rest could be fine upstanding citizens like anyone else.

 

[volk]

1. You can be a felon and an upstanding citizen if you served your time.

2. That is generally true.

3. That has not been proven by me in this thread as I would defend any man in Randy's situation. If you knew me, you would know that to be true.

4. Fans only care about winning. That is the way it has always been. Back in the day this would not be news. It would of been swept under the rug by the police and not made national news even if he beat the crap out of his wife.

So far nothing of what you said has been true though the course of this thread. The only thing you did prove is that you jump to conclusions and do not believe in due process.

1. You are a little naive on this one. While it happens, statistics are heavily weighted against your argument. Google recitivism rates.

2. We agree on

3. Again, I would chalk that up to being a little naive, something I suppose should be expected from a 26 year old. The problem here is that you concede you don't know the details, but readily convict Randy's wife as the origin of the problem. You defend Randy like he is an innocent person caught in the iron grip of a hellaciously violent woman, without giving any weight to Randy's actions. Fact: In both cases, Randy caused bodily harm to his wife. In the first case, Randy received some bodily harm as well, but in the second case, there is no evidence yet that Randy's wife harmed anything but his pride. I'm sorry, but Randy has been involved in two altercations now, both have brought harm to his wife, but only one has brought harm to him. I would say that the known evidence is showing you to be ignoring the facts because you like the way Randy plays.

4. I think you are too young to be able to speak authoritatively about the way sports figures were treated in the past. Character issues surfaced in the past, too. The only difference is, they were dealt with as problems, not ignored.

 

[TorontoFin]

I think you are too young to be able to speak authoritatively about the way sports figures were treated in the past. Character issues surfaced in the past, too. The only difference is, they were dealt with as problems, not ignored.

What does his age have to do with anything? I mean, he's 26 not 16.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

1. You are a little naive on this one. While it happens, statistics are heavily weighted against your argument. Google recitivism rates.

2. We agree on

3. Again, I would chalk that up to being a little naive, something I suppose should be expected from a 26 year old. The problem here is that you concede you don't know the details, but readily convict Randy's wife as the origin of the problem. You defend Randy like he is an innocent person caught in the iron grip of a hellaciously violent woman, without giving any weight to Randy's actions. Fact: In both cases, Randy caused bodily harm to his wife. In the first case, Randy received some bodily harm as well, but in the second case, there is no evidence yet that Randy's wife harmed anything but his pride. I'm sorry, but Randy has been involved in two altercations now, both have brought harm to his wife, but only one has brought harm to him. I would say that the known evidence is showing you to be ignoring the facts because you like the way Randy plays.

4. I think you are too young to be able to speak authoritatively about the way sports figures were treated in the past. Character issues surfaced in the past, too. The only difference is, they were dealt with as problems, not ignored.

1. I believe the problem is more brandishing the guy as a criminal when he gets out and serves his time. If everyone thinks you are a criminal, then you will become a criminal. It is basic psycology.

3. I would chalk this up to you being naive. Also i would chalk this up to you being brainwashed into automatically thinking that the guy is the aggressor. I have read studies, I have done research. I have been involved with battered women. I have had experiences. I defend Randy like he is an innocent man, because so far he is an innocent man. In the first incident, all signs point to the wife as the main aggressor and the instigator of the inncident. It also points to Randy trying to get out of the situation to the point where he had to hide in the bathroom to get away from her. The second incident only 1 out of 5 witnesses said anything physical was done on purpose. 4 out of 5 just saw a piece of cardboard accidently hitting the woman's face. I say that you are ignoring the evidence because of the fact you believe men are evil and women are good. That you believe that since there was violence involved it has to be the man's fault. Women can't be violent. Plus you don't believe that women are equal. That they are little creatures that need to be protected by the man and make 70 cents on the dollar.

4. I read history books. The media has changed. Also the laws have changed. In the 50s and 60s beating your wife wasn't that big of a deal. It was less of a deal if the person was famous. Now it is a huge deal and people really care about bringing people down. Do you think JFK could have all those affairs in the modern era?

 

[volk]

What does his age have to do with anything? I mean, he's 26 not 16.

26 is still kind of that "college fresh" stage of life. It is the time when all the great liberal idealisms still seem fresh and practical. In one or two more years, you typically temper those concepts with reality.

 

[TorontoFin]

26 is still kind of that "college fresh" stage of life. It is the time when all the great liberal idealisms still seem fresh and practical. In one or two more years, you typically temper those concepts with reality.

speak for yourself, I became a hard-core conservative at "college-fresh" 21. it was the "great liberal idealisms" of everyone around me that turned me that way...

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

speak for yourself, I became a hard-core conservative at "college-fresh" 21. it was the "great liberal idealisms" of everyone around me that turned me that way...

I don't see anything I am saying as liberalism

 

[cnc66]

speak for yourself, I became a hard-core conservative at "college-fresh" 21. it was the "great liberal idealisms" of everyone around me that turned me that way...

but you're Canadian, you get your left wing cards with your drivers licenses !

 

[TorontoFin]

but you're Canadian, you get your left wing cards with your drivers licenses !

Try birth certificates. I turned mine in.

 

[TorontoFin]

I don't see anything I am saying as liberalism

No, you're right. I think he was just equating liberalism to naivety , the latter of which he accused you of. I didn't agree..

 

[nyjunc]

yeah, and the bills have a murderer in their history. i know what you mean.

A double murderer but like someone pointed out it was long after he played.

 

[Justasportsfan]

What Wayne said a couple of years back has no bearing w/ today after he gave Saban full control. Let's not kid ourselves here.

Every team would forget a players past as long as he produces.
I dont care what Paris Hilton did in the past, I'd still hit it!

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

No, you're right. I think he was just equating liberalism to naivety , the latter of which he accused you of. I didn't agree..

I know I am. My views are very much against what Liberals preach. In fact his views are extremely liberal in this situation.

 

[volk]

I know I am. My views are very much against what Liberals preach. In fact his views are extremely liberal in this situation.

Fascinating. I am the very definition of Conservative. I just find it hypocritical that most fans will defend anyone on the team, regardless of what they might have done if it helps win games. Why can't you simply say "I don't know what Randy did, so I will niether support him or condemn him until I know"? Why the need to "defend" him?

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Fascinating. I am the very definition of Conservative. I just find it hypocritical that most fans will defend anyone on the team, regardless of what they might have done if it helps win games. Why can't you simply say "I don't know what Randy did, so I will niether support him or condemn him until I know"? Why the need to "defend" him?

Well your views on domestic violence is very liberal.

I defend him as I would defend anyone in his situations. All I know is what the police reports said and what was reported. So far what has been reported shows a situation where at a minimum she gives as much as she takes. It looks to be more towards the fact that she is a bigger part of the problem.

I can honestly say it has nothing to do with him being a Dolphin. It has nothing to do with him being a football player. It has everything to do with him being a man in a bad situation. A situation that he chose to be in, however I will not condemn him like everyone on this site. I will defend any man or womem who gets condemned without any proof.

Basically I look at the situation as if it was me. If I was coming home drunk and my woman gets on me. I yell back and then she starts hitting me. I get really angry of course, but since I don't want to get violent I try to leave. She doesn't want to end the arguement because she is mad and can't control her emotions. She continues to hit on me, and gets in my way as I try to leave. In a last ditch effort i finally push her out of the way and call the police as I hide in the bathroom. Going by this situation because she has bruises because I tried to stop her from hitting me, I am the one that goes to jail. I am the one being labeled as a wife beater. I am some kind of monster due to this situation. That just scares me that society has gotten THAT pathetic. All because of people like you.