Dolphins frontrunners for Steelers WR Mike Wallace

[Gonzo]

Are we talking last year or this year? because while the dansby point is clearly soooo last year, the coaching point was about this year. I don't care what meathead brought to the table, I'm done with thinking about that failed staff. So far all signs are pointing to this coaching staff doing more with less, wereas meathead typically did less with more.

Not sure I get the pofo comment. why so serious?

The Dansby point applies to both. Only so much blame can go on the coach for players not being in shape for the season. They are professionals. Just because there is a labor dispute doesn't mean you should sit around on your fat ass playing Xbox. He can redeem himself, sure, but there was no excuse for a supposed pro bowl player to play like he did in the first half of last season. Same goes for Davis.

The pofo comment was a joke that didn't land. I've only had one cup of coffee so far.

 

[PATSSUCK]

Haven't read all 18 pages, so I don't know who said that. Barkley is no Luck and Philbin is no Sparano (or at least I pray he isn't). Completely different situation this year.

I agree. R and R express said it.

 

[Wildbill3]

The Dansby point applies to both. Only so much blame can go on the coach for players not being in shape for the season. They are professionals. Just because there is a labor dispute doesn't mean you should sit around on your fat ass playing Xbox. He can redeem himself, sure, but there was no excuse for a supposed pro bowl player to play like he did in the first half of last season. Same goes for Davis.

The pofo comment was a joke that didn't land. I've only had one cup of coffee so far.

Well, by all indications, Philbin is certainly drilling into thier heads.. "if you want this... you ... don't... sit on your ass on your days off." I'm hopeful right now that in many cases performance can equal potential, and with some coaching and dedication and desire... that performance will exceed potential in a few players.

 

[Playmaker76]

IF. My favorite word. And to be honest, I couldn't care less about performances in practice, training camp, and preseason. I remember all the pumping up that was going on during the offseason and preseason last year. Didn't mean ****. Show me when it matters.

On a side note, that font color is really hard to read

Sorry about that font color..lol I don't know how that happened. My point is we are talking about talent. There is no "if" about the talent they have. The only "if" is the consistency. Point is, they have pro bowl "talent" but need consistency to actually make pro bowls. It's not due to lack of talent that some haven't made pro bowls. These guys can be dominant if they put it together mentally and technique wise.

 

[Gonzo]

I agree. R and R express said it.

I hope you're not assuming that all or even a majority of those who are critical share that opinion.

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Well, by all indications, Philbin is certainly drilling into thier heads.. "if you want this... you ... don't... sit on your ass on your days off." I'm hopeful right now that in many cases performance can equal potential, and with some coaching and dedication and desire... that performance will exceed potential in a few players.

I certainly like his message to John Jerry if that is indeed why we brought in Steinbach.

 

[Gonzo]

Sorry about that font color..lol I don't know how that happened. My point is we are talking about talent. There is no "if" about the talent they have. The only "if" is the consistency. Point is, they have pro bowl "talent" but need consistency to actually make pro bowls. It's not due to lack of talent that some haven't made pro bowls. These guys can be dominant if they put it together mentally and technique wise.

Every player in the NFL has talent and potential. IF is what separates those that actually live up to it. So far, only the bolded in the previous post have done it consistently, IMO.

 

[MRojas4]

Wrong thread, this is now the "Dolphins Talent Evaluation Thread"

I see we went off into a tangent.

How about we get back on track fellas?

 

[Gonzo]

I see we went off into a tangent.

How about we get back on track fellas?

We haven't signed him, because we have enough talent. Wait...damn it!

 

[Playmaker76]

Every player in the NFL has talent and potential. IF is what separates those that actually live up to it. So far, only the bolded in the previous post have done it consistently, IMO.

I hear what you are saying but not every player shows flashes of dominance. To your point though, there are many players in the league have have major talent but not consistency. That's why coaching is so important. But that's why we should not jump to conclusions and write this team off because they have "no talent." Let's give these coaches a chance. Heck, look at what Coyle did with the CB Joseph from Cincy.

 

[Clipse]

Dude then go be a patriot's fan. We will call you when we think it's time. Then you can pretend you were on board all along.

The old "go be a fan of another team because you're not as much of a homer as the rest of us" line. Classic.

 

[Clipse]

I'd disagree on dansby but the rest yeah. (Dansby was about as consistant and out of shape as the rest of the defense.)

But i'd argue that the most talented team doesn't always win, and a mildly talented team can play outside itself with the right coaching.

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You can be critical in the shape of a square.

The most talented team doesn't always win. But actually having a good amount of talent is certainly a requirement if you want to be a consistent winner. We're not at that stage yet, but some people try to act like we are, which is bothersome.

 

[ryanosaur2000]

Isn't Wallace asking for $15 million a year or something like that? He is not worth Calvin Johnson or Fitz money in my opinion, so even if a trade was likely I would hate to see us pay that kind of cash for him.

 

[Clipse]

Yea can be critical Gonzo. Telling me that this team should lose to get Barkley without given Tannehill a shot is what I can't stand.

I never said that. But if this team is bad enough to land Barkley, you're out of your mind if you pass on him. QB is the most important position on the field, and passing on one with Barkley's talent for an unknown is absurd. You keep taking them until one pans out. This is 2012. Get with the times. Either have a QB or enjoy watching other teams in the Superbowl every year. Only way I wouldn't take Barkley is if Tannehill starts like he should be doing, and shows enough to warrant not taking another QB.

 

[Clipse]

I agree. R and R express said it.

No, you put those words in my mouth.

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Dansby has potential pro bowl talent. When you are completely invisible for half a season, you do not have current pro bowl talent.

Odrick has potential as well, that's it at this point. Still too early to label him with that.

Potential is just a nice word for saying a player hasn't done **** yet. Call them pro bowl talents when they actually play at that level. Until then, they're underachievers and disappointments.

 

[Gonzo]

I never said that. But if this team is bad enough to land Barkley, you're out of your mind if you pass on him. QB is the most important position on the field, and passing on one with Barkley's talent for an unknown is absurd. You keep taking them until one pans out. This is 2012. Get with the times. Either have a QB or enjoy watching other teams in the Superbowl every year. Only way I wouldn't take Barkley is if Tannehill starts like he should be doing, and shows enough to warrant not taking another QB.

I agree with that.