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Dolphins have 'expectation of mastery' for quarterback Tua Tagovailoa

How about if those around him play just a little bit better.

There’s a novel idea for you.

Everyone improve their game just a bit.

Better blocking. Less drops. Convert 3rd and short. A consistent run game and threat.

More QB hurries; sacks; better tackling; more INTs. Etc.

Why is it always Tua needs to do this. Tua need to do that. What about the other players? The coaches?

The stats show Tua is a top 5 QB. What about his team mates? Aren’t those guys accountable too?

Sometimes I get the sense about 40 % of those who post here don’t know shet about team sports, based on the ignorance they spout.
 
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The fact that you would post such a ridiculous comparison only tells me you have no clue as to why it’s important for Tua to continue to change his ratio and become stronger and quicker.

But you can live in your little world as long as you wish and just continue to be a fan of an underachieving franchise and players that play in it.
I’ve only seen snippets so far of Tua in OTA’s. Do you think he looks fat? I honestly couldn’t tell.
 
First of all, I'm not a Tua fan, as I'd prefer a taller, stronger, more athletic QB who is not prone to getting concussed. However, I can admit that Tua has racked up some impressive individual stats. But, great individual stats for a QB don't always result in wins, and wins are what's important. Having the highest QB rating or the most passing yards at the end of the season means nothing if the team ends up with a losing record or barely squeaks into the playoffs and loses in the first round.

As I said, I'm not a Tua fan, but since Grier gave him a big contract, I guess we're stuck with him... for now. That said, I wouldn't be too upset if Miami still has Tua for 2026, but IMO the trio of Grier, McDaniel, and Tua has done absolutely nothing but amass meaningless stats, because they've won nothing. So, I believe the only way to see if Tua is as good as many think he is, is to give him a new GM who can build a competent o-line and a new HC who sees a good o-line as being a must for a good offense, and has an experienced OC.

Even I can see that Tua is not holding back the success of Grier and McDaniel because when Tua doesn't play, they mostly suck. But, it is possible that the ineptitude of Grier and McDaniel are holding Tua back from more success. IOW, even though I'd like to see all three replaced, I feel that Miami can have more success with Tua and a new GM and HC than they would with Grier, McDaniel, and a new QB.

How many poor QBs had impressive career stats? How many top QBs had poor career stats?
Swapping TT for LJ or Hurts, would all 3 have only the same success on their new teams?
I'm not arguing TT is elite, but stats do matter. Supporting cast does matter.
 
He might pull a Tannehill and get in good with a better team and win a playoff game or two as a quality game manager.
Tua has led the league in multiple areas over the last three years. A game manager he is not. When you you lead the league in passing yards, you are leading the offense. Not "managing" it.
 
We’re talking about playing the most important position as a pro athlete, getting fatter is not the answer especially with this player.

Don’t make excuses for the player.

You do remember what that guy looked like the last five games of 2023? You know the one where he stayed healthy

He was a completely in-effective vulnerable qb barely hanging on to his game.

It came to an expected hault real fast.
I can't remember even seeing Brady, Manning, Brees etc getting ripped for the upcoming season. Tua's game isn't mobility and it never will be but if he is lean enough he will try and scramble, he just can't help himself.

I'm not saying he should go and eat donuts for 6 months but if being 10lb heavier means he's going to throw the ball away rather than dive head first into a defender then I'm all for him putting on 10lb.
 
How about if those around him play just a little bit better.

There’s a novel idea for you.

Everyone improve their game just a bit.

Better blocking. Less drops. Convert 3rd and short. A consistent run game and threat.

More QB hurries; sacks; better tackling; more INTs. Etc.

Why is it always Tua needs to do this. Tua need to do that. What about the other players? The coaches?

The stats show Tua is a top 5 QB. What about his team mates? Aren’t those guys accountable too?

Sometimes I get the sense about 40 % of those who post here don’t know shet about team sports, based on the ignorance they spout.
That's the thing, the stats show that Tua is actually holding up his end of the deal, he isn't the biggest problem with the team yet some make him out to be. The fact the team loses over 90% of their games when Tua has a passer rating under league average over the last few years is really an eye opener, if Tua doesn't play well this team loses. If Tua is out, this team loses. Yet somehow Tua has to be better?

Instead all you hear is "win a playoff game", "win a cold weather game" like everything is on him. Those cold weather games are on the road, usually to playoff teams who do not lose a lot of games at home, especially to teams with a flawed roster construction like Miami.
 
That's the thing, the stats show that Tua is actually holding up his end of the deal, he isn't the biggest problem with the team yet some make him out to be. The fact the team loses over 90% of their games when Tua has a passer rating under league average over the last few years is really an eye opener, if Tua doesn't play well this team loses. If Tua is out, this team loses. Yet somehow Tua has to be better?

Instead all you hear is "win a playoff game", "win a cold weather game" like everything is on him. Those cold weather games are on the road, usually to playoff teams who do not lose a lot of games at home, especially to teams with a flawed roster construction like Miami.
And these same people ignore how other QB’s play in similar positions. Josh Allen is 0-4 away in the playoffs. Jackson is 1-2 in away games, 3-5 over all, in the playoffs. P. Manning was 2-5 in away playoff games. Marino was 1-6. Brees was 1-4.
 
I can't remember even seeing Brady, Manning, Brees etc getting ripped for the upcoming season. Tua's game isn't mobility and it never will be but if he is lean enough he will try and scramble, he just can't help himself.

I'm not saying he should go and eat donuts for 6 months but if being 10lb heavier means he's going to throw the ball away rather than dive head first into a defender then I'm all for him putting on 10lb.
I’m not talking about looking like will Levi’s

And we all know how hard Brady worked on everything, it’s not about being ripped
 
And these same people ignore how other QB’s play in similar positions. Josh Allen is 0-4 away in the playoffs. Jackson is 1-2 in away games, 3-5 over all, in the playoffs. P. Manning was 2-5 in away playoff games. Marino was 1-6. Brees was 1-4.
Body of work is relatively important in your exercise, plus that actual performance level of the QBs in that body of work.
 
I can't remember even seeing Brady, Manning, Brees etc getting ripped for the upcoming season. Tua's game isn't mobility and it never will be but if he is lean enough he will try and scramble, he just can't help himself.

I'm not saying he should go and eat donuts for 6 months but if being 10lb heavier means he's going to throw the ball away rather than dive head first into a defender then I'm all for him putting on 10lb.

I sure hope that getting fat isn't a proxy for staying healthy.

Let's look at reality. Tua ran 2x as much early in his career. He was a shrimp in '20 as a rookie and essentially only added some strength in '21. He ran 3x per game about ~3ypc back then which is barely anything but the point is he was at his lightest and it was fine. He did however contribute 1 rushing TD every 4 games.

Was he an "injury risk" back then?

The only major injury was the broken ribs in '21 which occurred as the result of an unexpected hit in the pocket when an unblocked defender slammed him (thanks Jesse Davis!).

Under McDaniel he's run 1-2x per game for virtually nothing...and he's had 0 rushing TDs in 3 seasons. His immobility has become a bit of an issue, too, leaving him increasingly defenseless, even in the pocket.

I think you have to bite the bullet with Tua. He needs to slim down in order to be mobile because that agility should result in fewer devastating hits, not more.

Ball-carriers stay healthy by (1) out-running defenders to avoid would-be hits and (2) being careful to protect their vitals when contact is imminent. At his absolutely lightest, when running the most, Tua had no issue staying healthy. The concussions started as a result of hits in the pocket. And the concussion in '24 was a result of charging headlong into a defender which is just stupid.

I'm with @djphinfan in the sense that there is absolutely no correlation between ball-carriers getting fat and it being productive. Tua's playing 17 games in '23 had nothing to do with being fat and everything to do with avoiding contact.

WADR here--and I love you as a poster--Tua having to get fat so he's less willing to run is an utterly absurd paradigm. It's unworkable. If he's not smart enough to stay healthy, I'd prefer to have McDaniel just insert and work with a back-up. You can't have Tua diving headlong into people. He doesn't deserve the job for a single day if he can't understand that.

If indeed we're having Tua bulk up again, it's a virtual certainty to me that he's done in Miami as early as the front office can reasonably kick him to the curb.

If being healthy and mobile is bad...it's an existential problem and he needs to go.
 
How about if those around him play just a little bit better.

There’s a novel idea for you.

Everyone improve their game just a bit.

Better blocking. Less drops. Convert 3rd and short. A consistent run game and threat.

More QB hurries; sacks; better tackling; more INTs. Etc.

Why is it always Tua needs to do this. Tua need to do that. What about the other players? The coaches?

The stats show Tua is a top 5 QB. What about his team mates? Aren’t those guys accountable too?

Sometimes I get the sense about 40 % of those who post here don’t know shet about team sports, based on the ignorance they spout.
But but but the other 21 positions don’t matter. The QB is supposed to carry them to the promise land.
 
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