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Dolphins have 'expectation of mastery' for quarterback Tua Tagovailoa

hoops said:
Josh Allen is a different kind of qb from Mahomes.

Folks struggle to tackle Josh Allen he runs by second levels of defenses like they are standing still.

He don’t care about what’s in front of him on the oline.

Or what’s at skill anymore either. He’s beyond that. Which is bad news for the rest of us lol
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People struggled to tackle Cam Newton and he ran past people until he suddenly didn’t.

You are making Allen out to be some sort of unbeatable super hero, I guess we should just cancel the season and give the trophy to Buffalo now?

We just see a different guy I guess. I know you are high on him as a pocket QB but I still don’t see that. Maybe I’m just slow on the uptake as it took me about 7 years before conceding that Brady wasn’t a product of the system.
 
Springveldt said:
People struggled to tackle Cam Newton and he ran past people until he suddenly didn’t.

You are making Allen out to be some sort of unbeatable super hero, I guess we should just cancel the season and give the trophy to Buffalo now?

We just see a different guy I guess. I know you are high on him as a pocket QB but I still don’t see that. Maybe I’m just slow on the uptake as it took me about 7 years before conceding that Brady wasn’t a product of the system.
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Hes not some unbeatable super hero but hes definitely our boogeyman and the scariest player in the AFC East. Obviously we cant see the future he could get injured etc, but going into the season healthy he gives his team a massive advantage at the most important position in the game, and theres maybe 2 or 3 guys that can match him.

So not unbeatable, but hes terrifying every time we play him and Id much rather have him on my side. Hes also a cyborg that doesnt get hurt somehow.
 
Finsup1981 said:
Hes not some unbeatable super hero but hes definitely our boogeyman and the scariest player in the AFC East. Obviously we cant see the future he could get injured etc, but going into the season healthy he gives his team a massive advantage at the most important position in the game, and theres maybe 2 or 3 guys that can match him.

So not unbeatable, but hes terrifying every time we play him and Id much rather have him on my side. Hes also a cyborg that doesnt get hurt somehow.
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Cam newton never made a secondary read from the pocket in his life.
 
hoops said:
The division runs thru Miami every year status quo oline or anything else if Josh Allen is behind center.

Period.

Allen doesn’t care if you are playing eich or borom or whatever other corpse you put out there.
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Josh Allen is that good, hmmmm?

Of course, reflecting back on the Patriots' two Super Bowl losses to the Giants, and the Chiefs' Super Bowl losses to the Buccaneers and Eagles, pass protection obviously meant quite a bit to Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes, didn't it?
 
Imo The mastery for Tua comes in a practical form.

He is a practical learner so the more reps the better for his brain

Forget the classroom and the gym this is how he improves
 
The Captain said:
Josh Allen is that good, hmmmm?

Of course, reflecting back on the Patriots' two Super Bowl losses to the Giants, and the Chiefs' Super Bowl losses to the Buccaneers and Eagles, pass protection obviously meant quite a bit to Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes, didn't it?
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Allen is not the same qb at all. At least comp him with apples to apples
 
Sticky Gloves said:
I can't see it. The whole scheme is based on it. Basically, the entire offense has been taught to do things this way. They teach the receivers. They learn the plays in offseason, where to be, and how to run routes for it. Then as you can see, they also are having the backup QBs learn to throw this way. The ball is coming out whether the QB has time or not, and whether the receiver is there or not.

Sink or swim. There's no reversing course mid-season.
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We disagree . . . Maybe. A 'really OC will have different passing schemes, timing being just one. If Mcd is that guy, i think the players are capable. I've seen no reports from camp noting 'only timing or various schemes
 
Springveldt said:
People struggled to tackle Cam Newton and he ran past people until he suddenly didn’t.

You are making Allen out to be some sort of unbeatable super hero, I guess we should just cancel the season and give the trophy to Buffalo now?

We just see a different guy I guess. I know you are high on him as a pocket QB but I still don’t see that. Maybe I’m just slow on the uptake as it took me about 7 years before conceding that Brady wasn’t a product of the system.
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He is def our kryptonite, his numbers against us look out of this world
 
fansinceGWilson said:
We disagree . . . Maybe. A 'really OC will have different passing schemes, timing being just one. If Mcd is that guy, i think the players are capable. I've seen no reports from camp noting 'only timing or various schemes
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We do. I think it's the opposite. McD is capable and the QB is not. Tua is statistically the least hit QB in the NFL by a very wide berth.

Again last season, Tua was the LEAST hit QB in the NFL. Tua just said his focus is to get rid of the ball even quicker to avoid any additional contact, to stay on the field, which is very reasonable considering his injuries. However, what makes it unreasonable is the fact he's ALREADY the least hit QB in the NFL. He got injured twice last season on very normal looking tackles. How the hell do you plan on avoiding this very normal contact? What does him getting rid of the ball even quicker look like?

So understanding this constraint, what scheme would you like McD to run?
 
djphinfan said:
He is def our kryptonite, his numbers against us look out of this world
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Totally agree, he’s got GOAT numbers against us. 110 career passer rating.

Why is his career passer rating against the Jets and Patriots so low though, I’m sure it’s below league average.

Maybe it’s because Miami hasn’t had a decent MLB since Dansby? Whatever it is, we need to figure it out and start holding him to 1 bad game a year like the Jets and Pats do a lot of the time.
 
Springveldt said:
Totally agree, he’s got GOAT numbers against us. 110 career passer rating.

Why is his career passer rating against the Jets and Patriots so low though, I’m sure it’s below league average.

Maybe it’s because Miami hasn’t had a decent MLB since Dansby? Whatever it is, we need to figure it out and start holding him to 1 bad game a year like the Jets and Pats do a lot of the time.
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He’s won the division five straight years so I think his ratings against the pats and jets are largely irrelevant.

And he’s whooped the hell out of our ass for those 5 years straight.

I’m all about the importance of a difference making mike lb but that’s a speed bump for Josh Allen.

Frankly we don’t have any answer and neither does the rest of the division as long as he stays healthy any time soon.
 
Sticky Gloves said:
We do. I think it's the opposite. McD is capable and the QB is not. Tua is statistically the least hit QB in the NFL by a very wide berth.

Again last season, Tua was the LEAST hit QB in the NFL. Tua just said his focus is to get rid of the ball even quicker to avoid any additional contact, to stay on the field, which is very reasonable considering his injuries. However, what makes it unreasonable is the fact he's ALREADY the least hit QB in the NFL. He got injured twice last season on very normal looking tackles. How the hell do you plan on avoiding this very normal contact? What does him getting rid of the ball even quicker look like?

So understanding this constraint, what scheme would you like McD to run?
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Not *A* scheme. If the D negates timing, use conventional. If the D negates middle of the field, use sidelines. My point - if Mcd only uses timing, he's inept. No O can survive with one scheme
 
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