Dolphins' Jeff Ireland fights off perception team lacks plan

[lbsfinest]

It's actually an acceptable offer to a QB that your not sure is starting material

I don't care if Philbin was the godfather of Flynn's kids, there was no chance in hell Flynn was accepting that pathetic offer. Bringing him to the facility was a compete waste of time if that's the type of money you throw at him.

a lot of our myopic fans believe that because he isn't a dolphin that means he's not a franchise QB, how convenient! If we sign him, he's the real deal, if we don't then he isnt truly the guy. Philbin probably wanted him and truly believes he can be the answer, but Ireland is so stubborn and IGNORANT that he probably thought Flynn would just take this lowball offer because he'd be playing for his former offensive coordinator......lol Ireland is a joke.

 

[PYRO]

Garrard is getting $3.5m in base salary. He has incentives that can jump up to $4.5m.

My apologies, I was misinformed, I looked it up and you are correct. I still don't think we missed out, Philbin was willing to pay back up QB price for Back up QB quality. I'm glad we didn't get him.

 

[Rev Kev]

So what are agents supposed to say? CK?

"This particular GM gives us everything we desire"

Garrard got one year - Flynn wasn't coming in for one year -

Kinda should tell an "expert such as yourself" that Flynn wasn't going to be handed the starting situation and had to earn his Starting spot let alone be treated as a franchise QB.

The worse thing that Ireland ever did was follow Bill and TS outta Dallas - that is a decision he will have to own - it is AMAZING this body of evidence you find in one article - Mind blowing head scratching

You are just another who has joind the Eye of Sauron - NFLN

 

[PYRO]

Garrard is getting $3.5m in base salary. He has incentives that can jump up to $4.5m.

I looked it up and you are correct. My apologies.

I still feel like we offered Flynn a contract worthy of his production. Philbin thought he was back up talent so we offered what we scouted. I trust the coach that has been with him since he has been in the league.

 

[Zounds]

You are assuming that Joe Philbin and Jeff Ireland were on the exact same page about Matt Flynn. That is a BAD assumption.

A quote from Joe Philbin last week, after Matt Flynn choose Seattle: (On working with Jeff Ireland to find the players that best fit your offense) - “We have very good collaboration on things. He wants our input, just not my own, but our staff. Our staff has been involved. His department does a great job of evaluating players. Our guys have spent a lot of time looking at tape as well, so the combination of the two has worked well. I’ve been on board with the decisions that have been made and excited about them.”

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[Spesh]

My apologies, I was misinformed, I looked it up and you are correct. I still don't think we missed out, Philbin was willing to pay back up QB price for Back up QB quality. I'm glad we didn't get him.

Incorrect. Ireland handles the money, Philbin has no say whatsoever.

 

[Spesh]

A quote from Joe Philbin last week, after Matt Flynn choose Seattle: (On working with Jeff Ireland to find the players that best fit your offense) - “We have very good collaboration on things. He wants our input, just not my own, but our staff. Our staff has been involved. His department does a great job of evaluating players. Our guys have spent a lot of time looking at tape as well, so the combination of the two has worked well. I’ve been on board with the decisions that have been made and excited about them.”

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/#storylink=cpy

Take Dallas personnel guy Jeff Ireland for example. He is not the GM in Dallas. So if Parcells offers him the Miami GM job, the Cowboys are compelled to let him go based on the fact the job is a promotion. But the Cowboys may argue that Ireland isn't really going to be Miami's GM because, by definition, the GM picks the players. And the Cowboys would be right because Parcells will likely pick the players.

And that is why Parcells Thursday will emphasize that he is picking the GM and that he will not be the GM.

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/12/tuna-helper-on-menu-for-afternoon.html

 

[PYRO]

Incorrect. Ireland handles the money, Philbin has no say whatsoever.

I think you misunderstood, If Philbin wanted Flynn he would have had him, He had every say in what he felt Flynn could give the dolphins with his talent level. Ireland offered a deal congruent with what Philbin said he would get in return

 

[Geforce]

"I'm not a recruiter; I'm an evaluator," Ireland said

That quote bugged me. Once you evaluate that you want somebody, and assuming other teams want him too, then there is definitely some recruitment involved. Or there should be.

This quote bugged me too and I think this is the Bill Parcell's influence rearing its ugly head. As a GM, you have to be both evaluator and recruiter. Bill Parcells can get away with being an ******* to people because of the reputation he has garnered over the years but Jeff Ireland is not afforded such luxury. Until Ireland can build a winning organization, people are not going to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his interaction with players and their agents. He cannot keep coming across the smartest man in the room until he proves that he actually is the smartest man in the room.

 

[Spesh]

I think you misunderstood, If Philbin wanted Flynn he would have had him, He had every say in what he felt Flynn could give the dolphins with his talent level. Ireland offered a deal congruent with what Philbin said he would get in return

Again, Philbin made a strong effort to land Flynn. Kept calling him, assuring him he was in our plans despite Manning, flying him in.

Ireland offered him a borderline insulting offer. Which Ireland has become known to do. Ireland based this on his own evaluation of what Flynn was worth. While that is Irelands job, he has proven to be bad at that job. Which is why, 5 years in, those quarterbacks Ireland has brought in have been busts and we still need competant play at that position.

If you have some proof that it was Philbin who felt like paying Flynn like a back-up, feel free to link it.

 

[PYRO]

Again, Philbin made a strong effort to land Flynn. Kept calling him, assuring him he was in our plans despite Manning, flying him in.

Ireland offered him a borderline insulting offer. Which Ireland has become known to do. Ireland based this on his own evaluation of what Flynn was worth. While that is Irelands job, he has proven to be bad at that job. Which is why, 5 years in, those quarterbacks Ireland has brought in have been busts and we still need competant play at that position.

If you have some proof that it was Philbin who felt like paying Flynn like a back-up, feel free to link it.

Right back at you, I'd love to see you post that Philbin wanted him no matter the cost. People have already had many a discussion about the same talent level, either slightly higher or lower, than Matt Moore. Was it really an upgrade or would it not have been.

If links is what you want, then both our arguements are at a stand still

 

[Geforce]

I think some are blaming Ireland for not signing Matt Flynn when it may have been Ross' decision. Just as it believed to be Ross' decision to not trade for and sign Kyle Orton last season.

Flynn, believed to be the Dolphins second free-agent quarterback target, reportedly received a three-year deal with $26 million including $10 million guaranteed from the Seatte Seahawks.

"[Ross] goes, 'If my coachwanted Matt Flynn didn't you think he would be here?'" Lawrence said. "'If my coach said I want Matt Flynn as our starting quarterback next year he would be here, but I couldn't pay Matt Flynn $8 million to come here. If I end up getting him, it's a gamble … and I'm still drafting a quarterback. I'm still looking for another option."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...e-ross-brandon-marshall-dolphins-ceo-mike-dee

 

[Spesh]

Right back at you, I'd love to see you post that Philbin wanted him no matter the cost. People have already had many a discussion about the same talent level, either slightly higher or lower, than Matt Moore. Was it really an upgrade or would it not have been.

If links is what you want, then both our arguements are at a stand still

So myself and others prove that Ireland made decisions in direct contrast to what Philbin's actions indicated. We show a pattern of behavior and comments made in public from Philbin and Flynn.

You come in and say "no wai because i dont want it to be true!!!!".

I make the reasonable request of asking that you provide some type of evidence to back your assertion. You respond with "no u". To funny

 

[PYRO]

So myself and others prove that Ireland made decisions in direct contrast to what Philbin's actions indicated. We show a pattern of behavior and comments made in public from Philbin and Flynn.

You come in and say "no wai because i dont want it to be true!!!!".

I make the reasonable request of asking that you provide some type of evidence to back your assertion. You respond with "no u". To funny

I'm saying discussion of "opinions" have gone both ways and there is neither a link for my nor your argument. If I could have a personal conversation with Philbin I would

 

[phintim]

Again, Philbin made a strong effort to land Flynn. Kept calling him, assuring him he was in our plans despite Manning, flying him in.

Ireland offered him a borderline insulting offer. Which Ireland has become known to do. Ireland based this on his own evaluation of what Flynn was worth. While that is Irelands job, he has proven to be bad at that job. Which is why, 5 years in, those quarterbacks Ireland has brought in have been busts and we still need competant play at that position.

If you have some proof that it was Philbin who felt like paying Flynn like a back-up, feel free to link it.

If you take a step back you can almost pick the players that Jeff Ireland is going after and the ones he is going to what you say low ball. If a guy does not have experience then Jeff looks at it as a strike. Gerard signed right away the guy has experience compared to Flynns youth and possible potential. I remembrt the Eric Kumerows of this world that looked good on paper and never got it done when the bullets were flying. Dansby signed here and it was not a money issue and the same for Marshall he had to have his deal redone to sign here. You bring up the QB's he has brought in during his tenue Pennington, Henne who was scooped up right away this year in free agency, Pat WHite was a gimmick QB and Thigpen was worth a low round pick to check out and Matt Moore played half decent. I think we have had one of the deepest QB positions the past 4 years. Manning is a bump away from being in rehab and is aged I saw it with Marino so I am happy we passed, Flynn the same thing I would be concerned going to the bank with that guy for starters money and I lump R Tanniel in there also espcially and the number 8 pick we would be pushed to play the guy right away. I do not study all the college QBs but I would certainly want a guy who has played at least 2 years as a starter in college and hopefully 3 or four before I pick him in the first round and give him starters money. We have a hugh OL issue which I personally blame on Sporano not Ireland there were better players on the team than Columbo last year but TOny S did not play them. Anyway I woud put Weeden and Cousins on my list at the end of the first round if Counsins fits our offense or some other QB. I would love to see us trade back and try and also fill that void at OT and outside rusher. Ireland may be an ass but he is not screwing the pooch to just sign a guy and really he is keeping us straight cap wise. We are changing out our style because most of you said Sporano must go so you know it was coming and it is not like we have been cheap on signing players these past 5 years look at our CAP numbers. So to say Ireland is raping some guy to sign him well think about it we only have so much space and sure you can make space at a cost but it should be a sure deal and Flynn is not a sure deal. You can give Ireland crap for mis manerism but he is watching the books and yes I keep saying he is the best we have had in the past 30 years perhaps JJ who never drafted a offensive player. SO WATCH OUT WHAT YOU ASK FOR BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD MUCH WORSE AROUND HERE!
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