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This isn't something that is done in a linear way so this post won't be linear either. Where to begin? I will start with some FA speculation. I will assume FS Reggie Nelson and CB Adam Jones are already on the roster. Dolphins sign CB's Patrick Robinson and Trumaine Johnson and move Jamar Taylor to free safety. In 2017 Lippett will be ready and if Jones retires, Robinson can move to the slot.

Everyone knows all about the Dolphins ability to clear cap, and they could clear more than most people realize. 2017 and 2018 are wide, wide open and it is easy for capologists to push that money that is owed in 2016 forward. Suh's number will drop by 17 mil, Wake will restructure, Reshad Jones will get an extension and a raise but his cap number will drop to nil in 2016, Cameron will restructure, Greg Jennings,Koa Misi,Bryce McCain,Earl Mitchell will be released. Grimes will be traded or released, probably traded now with another Pro Bowl experience on his resume. 5th round comp. Pouncey should also be traded. Albert should restructure but I doubt he will. His agent will resist it but it will likely mean he gets released next year and ends up retiring because no one will pay a guy his age with durability issues.

The Dolphins may have a developing star at the center position after all. Jamil Douglas GPA 3.92 and crazy strong. http://pac-12.com/article/2014/07/24/arizona-states-jamil-douglas-more-weight-room-freak . Tony Bergstrom is an excellent value as either a starting center or backup OL,Titans are just one possible trade partner out of a litany of center needy teams. 2nd round comp(too much comp? OK throw in a player or later draft pick)....Titans were dead last in pass protection last year according to Football Outsiders. Schwenke is either injured or bad and Gallik probably isn't even worthy of a roster spot. Titans are very open about improving their OL, it is rumored they may draft Tunsil and move Lewan over.

I would also take a flier on Andrew Smith and Maybe give him a shot at competing for the RG position or swing OT. His 2015 was a debacle, but he was an elite RT not long ago. He will undoubtedly hit FA with the Bengals drafting two OT's high last year. Might even be dirt cheap.

Re-sign Vernon or take a flier on Mario Williams. I like the Williams thing? He will be much cheaper, although transcient. He is now highly motivated. Might not last, but he should be very good next year. Make it the most incentive laden deal ever. This would probably be a late signing because I doubt he gets anywhere near what he wants, it may just be a one year prove me deal. Eagles might get him because of Schwartz, but doubt it. Draft the position as well and keep Shelby if the price is right....probably won't be. Fede may turn out better anyway, then there is Dion Jordan??? Chris McCain??? Damontre Moore??? Will Coples be brought back on the cheap??? I have a good feeling about Damontre Moore.

The Monstrous Holes at LB: If one of the elite LB's hits FA you just don't get overbid. Best case scenario IMO is acquire Derrick Johnson for three years 25 mil with an easy out in 2018, and draft the position.

Backup QB: Draft the position. If Carson Wentz is there, it is a no brainer. This is Peyton Manning with a stronger arm, speed and elusivity. It is fitting that Wentz enters the arena as Peyton is exiting. Wentz is a surefire Hall Of Famer. I will not relent from this position.

DT: Tons of opportunities in FA to bolster the interior. Best case scenario is Jaye Howard. Unlikely he hits FA, but Damon Harrison just might, the Jets have some serious decisions to make at QB and in franchising Muhammed Wilkerson. These 1 or 2 down run stuffing behemoths don't usually get big money but Harrison might price himself out of New York. Signing him away from the Jet's and then getting Coples back for peanuts and having him contribute would be too good to be true.

RB: I don't think Miller wants to come back, nothing we can do about that really. Everybody loves Jay Ajayi but with durability being a concern there has to be depth here. Sign Bilal Powell and draft the position.

Sign QB Chase Daniel if his price is reasonable.

Draft: If Wentz is gone ,which is highly likely, there may be a trade down op if one or two of the LT prospects slides to the 8th spot. I would take it in a heart beat. A third rounder from Detroit perhaps. Then there is the QB situation. The Bears,Saints,and Eagles are a threat to draft a QB in round one. The Rams and Texans are candidates to trade up if there guy is there at 8 as well. I'lll take a 2nd and a 6th from the Texans trading up for Goff. Then I draft Darron Lee. A reach?? Doubt it, he may run a sub 4.5 forty at the combine.

pick #33 ...A coveted pick indeed, trade it? yup Ram's have two 2nds, they may trade up if they like a QB that slid through the first round. trade down to #45 and get pick#76. Draft Joshua Perry

pick#42.....Jason Spriggs OT

3rd round pick #73 Trade down and garner a 4th then Joe Haeg OT
3rd round pick# 76 Spencer Drango LG Bright Red Flag for back surgery a couple years ago otherwise...stellar.

4th...CB/FS Dieondre Hall ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx1QNE53-3Q Realistically this acquisition will probably take a much higher pick but this is where he is ranked right now.

4th.....Morgan Burns DB/KR I would convert him to RB This kid loves to block. He could turn that into a lengthy NFL career as a 3rd down back, or who knows? maybe he is the next Jamaal Charles...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad_JHsJvUzw Even kinda looks like Charles when he is running.

5th.....Matt Ionnidis DT Really underrated IMO.
5th...(From Grimes trade)Adam Gotsis DT Really underrated IMO.

6th......Tanner McAvoy TE/S/QB

7th.....(From the Ravens for Will Davis)David Morgan TE....Excellent blocker
7th..Alex Lewis ...OL....Practice Squad

Priority FA's:
WR Zach Vraa
Safety Michael Caputo
QB Jeff Driskel
QB Vad Lee
CB/Safety Vernon Harris
DE Ugonna Awuruonye
DE Morgan Fox

Roster/Depth Chart

QB...Tannehill,Chase Daniel,Driskel,Vad Lee
RB...Jay Ajayi,Bilal Powell,Damien Williams,Morgan Burns
TE...Cameron,Simms,Stoneburner,David Morgan
WR....Landry,Parker,Stills,Hazel,Vraa
OT....Albert,James,Spriggs,Haeg
OG....Drango,Andrew Smith,Billy Turner,Alex Lewis
OC...Tony Bergstrom,Jamil Douglas

DT...Suh,Harrison,Phillips,Matt Ioniddis
Tweeners.... Fede,Coples,Adam Gotsis
DE....Mario Williams,Cam Wake,Damontre Moore,Chris McCain,Dion Jordan
MLB....Derrick Johnson,Zach Vigil
OLB....Joshua Perry,Jelani Jenkins,Darron Lee,Neville Hewitt,Mike Hull
Safety...Jones,Reggie Nelson,Jamar Taylor,Michael Thomas,Michael Caputo
CB...Trumaine Johnson,Patrick Robinson,Adam Jones,Tony Lippett
DB...Diondre Hall,Bobby McCain

Darr,Franks,Denny
 
Love this post. I don't agree with everything (probably don't agree with much of it in terms fo specific players) but it's great to see someone do so much work and lay their opinion on the line in black and white as to what they would do.

A lot of draftniks (and I'm sometimes guilty of the same) tend to hedge and fudge who they like who they don;t like, what they would do in FA before the draft etc. You've nailed your colours to the mast and fair play to you.

I think you make a lot of great points, including the cap space we have after this year and our ability to free up more money. Even though I think Pouncey is overpaid and Miller will be coveted, I'm less keen than seeing them leave that you. We've so many holes to fill and adding to them is going to be a big drain on resource and time, both of which are limited in a single offseason.
 
I'm all for building a completely new o-line. The current line was built to run Philbin and Lazor's weak, ineffective offense and they couldn't even do that. It's a new regime... so why not start over with a big, strong punishing o-line! Miami is gambling on Tannehill, so it would make sense to give him 5 NFL-caliber blockers who are not weak, oft-injured, overpaid, or all of the above.
 
there is a lot of effort here but I still can't seem to get over that Joshua perry and luke kuechly comparison
 
Fin Thirteen said:
Love this post. I don't agree with everything (probably don't agree with much of it in terms fo specific players) but it's great to see someone do so much work and lay their opinion on the line in black and white as to what they would do.

A lot of draftniks (and I'm sometimes guilty of the same) tend to hedge and fudge who they like who they don;t like, what they would do in FA before the draft etc. You've nailed your colours to the mast and fair play to you.

I think you make a lot of great points, including the cap space we have after this year and our ability to free up more money. Even though I think Pouncey is overpaid and Miller will be coveted, I'm less keen than seeing them leave that you. We've so many holes to fill and adding to them is going to be a big drain on resource and time, both of which are limited in a single offseason.
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I don't want to see Miller go either. Who would? I just get the vibe from the player himself that he doesn't want to be a Dolphin anymore and there isn't much anybody can do about that because he will have a plethora of offers in March.

All they can do is sign another RB to complement Ajayi.

I didn't write the thread as a manifesto of what,"I," would do. I wrote it because of all the hopeless posts out there talking about how there is just no way, and we will be lucky to go 8-8, and pathetic whining and moaning. They may well be right with this owner and FO, but I think my post post proves that if they are willing to be aggressive and ruthless and cut the dead weight and really go after negotiating a couple good trades before and/or during the draft....the Dolphins could indeed field a team with the potential to go somewhere in the playoffs, and at the same time keep the bottom third of the roster full of youngsters that have great upside.

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hooshoops said:
there is a lot of effort here but I still can't seem to get over that Joshua perry and luke kuechly comparison
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I said take the same path. I see Joshua Perry as an eventual Derrick Johnson type MLB/ILB. Kuechly started out playing outside LB and then moved to the middle later. That is what I was getting at when I said take the same path; going from an OLB in college and the beginning of his pro career to leading the defense from MLB position. Sorry I wasn't clear enough about that issue.

As far as Wentz goes, he may turn out to be the greatest NFL QB in the history of the NFL.
 
Kingdom Come said:
I said take the same path. I see Joshua Perry as an eventual Derrick Johnson type MLB/ILB. Kuechly started out playing outside LB and then moved to the middle later. That is what I was getting at when I said take the same path; going from an OLB in college and the beginning of his pro career to leading the defense from MLB position. Sorry I wasn't clear enough about that issue.

As far as Wentz goes, he may turn out to be the greatest NFL QB in the history of the NFL.
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the part you are leaving out is the instincts for the position...kuechlys are the best since Zach Thomas...I remember derrick Johnson at texas he even showed solid pre snap talents instincts wise...in perry you are taking a collegiate almost all post snap minus primary assignment player and projecting instincts at the next level...that frame at 6 ft 4 and 250 lbs and that wing span and those instincts I think projects more outside in a kj wright type of role...although im sure his poa play will have to make some strides

I have no real take on wentz I haven't studied him...I know hes got great physical tools but so does tannehill...it remains to be seen for me whether or not hes on tannehills level pre snap reads wise and decision making which separates the men from the boys imo or if he has the same level of mental toughness
 
at any rate the more I read this the more interesting and well thought out I think it is for the most part...even if its a bit ambitious it's not pipe dream either
 
hooshoops said:
the part you are leaving out is the instincts for the position...kuechlys are the best since Zach Thomas...I remember derrick Johnson at texas he even showed solid pre snap talents instincts wise...in perry you are taking a collegiate almost all post snap minus primary assignment player and projecting instincts at the next level...that frame at 6 ft 4 and 250 lbs and that wing span and those instincts I think projects more outside in a kj wright type of role...although im sure his poa play will have to make some strides

I have no real take on wentz I haven't studied him...I know hes got great physical tools but so does tannehill...it remains to be seen for me whether or not hes on tannehills level pre snap reads wise and decision making which separates the men from the boys imo or if he has the same level of mental toughness
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All of the Bison games are free on youtube. Wentz shares more in common with Peyton Manning than most of Wentz's advocates even realize.

First of all is, love of the game. I have seldom seen anybody have so much fun playing the game, especially at the QB position.
The kid is absolutely brilliant and mature way beyond his years. 4.0 student
He is faster and more mobile than people realize. He may run a 4.6 at the combine unless his agent tells him to take it easy, which may be good advice. Last thing he needs is an injury. You can see a nice display of his athleticism in the FCS championship game against JSU. Even a goal line dive rather Reggie Bush like.
He has an uncanny presence that energizes the guys around him; a quality beyond leadership.
His coaches rave about his field awareness.
Superb game management.
A number of game winning drives to his credit.

He is everything Tannehill isn't.
He has already mastered touch on his passes.
He is an extremely fast thinker and his release is way faster than Tannehills.
He has some footwork issues to work out but he is already far more accurate than Tannehill. It is rare when Tannehill actually hits a sprinting receiver in stride but for Wentz it is common.
He is fearless and threads the needle.
He is a great leader,Tannehill isn't.
He has unusual pocket awarenes, Tannehill doesn't.
He has amazing acceleration for a guy his size, Tannehill doesn't.
Gotta go to work.
 
you aren't gonna sell me on a needed qb change no matter what

as for derrick Johnson get ready for his agent to use teams to drive the price at the combine the way david harris agent did with the jets last year only to resign with his current team under a similar 3 year structure

cause it's coming
 
Kingdom Come said:
All of the Bison games are free on youtube. Wentz shares more in common with Peyton Manning than most of Wentz's advocates even realize.

First of all is, love of the game. I have seldom seen anybody have so much fun playing the game, especially at the QB position.
The kid is absolutely brilliant and mature way beyond his years. 4.0 student
He is faster and more mobile than people realize. He may run a 4.6 at the combine unless his agent tells him to take it easy, which may be good advice. Last thing he needs is an injury. You can see a nice display of his athleticism in the FCS championship game against JSU. Even a goal line dive rather Reggie Bush like.
He has an uncanny presence that energizes the guys around him; a quality beyond leadership.
His coaches rave about his field awareness.
Superb game management.
A number of game winning drives to his credit.

He is everything Tannehill isn't.
He has already mastered touch on his passes.
He is an extremely fast thinker and his release is way faster than Tannehills.
He has some footwork issues to work out but he is already far more accurate than Tannehill. It is rare when Tannehill actually hits a sprinting receiver in stride but for Wentz it is common.
He is fearless and threads the needle.
He is a great leader,Tannehill isn't.
He has unusual pocket awarenes, Tannehill doesn't.
He has amazing acceleration for a guy his size, Tannehill doesn't.
Gotta go to work.
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I would be extremely careful making comparisions to one of the all time great QB's. There are only so many that can play at that level for a long period of time. I mean we hear stuff like this all the time Dion Jordan will be the next Jason Taylor as an example.

Also does it not cause you pause a little based on level of competition etc? Do you not want to wait to see how this translates to the pros?

Don't take it the wrong way I see that you have put alot of work into the thread and I agree with some but not all of your points, just playing devils advocate here with the QB situation.

I agree with trying to move away from Pouncey at some point (probably in the minority) but I dont think the FO sees it our way.
 
You can forget about Wentz....he is the next Cleveland Browns QB at #2 overall....maybe 1 overall in a tradeup.

Interesting read...I think I'd rather keep Vernon in his 20's and hopefully restructure Wake than sign Williams at his age.

Probably unrealistic to pull off all the trades mentioned.

Good job though....still going over it.
 
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