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Some of the post recently has shown some curiosity on weather Daunte or Joey help the the Dolphin's receiving corp... so I seperated the 1st 4 games of the season with Daunte and the other 7 games with Joey...

I laid out the "thrown to" as attempts, completions, and "yards per catch" (YPC)...

The 1st 4 games "on left" and last 7 "on the right"...

Wes= 26 att, 18 comp, 222 yds (12.33)-39 att, 26 comp, 255 yds (9.8)
Caught 69% of passes thrown to.........Caught 67% of passes thrown to

Cris= 39 att, 16 comp, 181 yds(11.31)-59 att, 23 comp, 280 yds (12.17)
Caught 41% of passes thrown to.........Caught 39% of passes thrown to

MB= 21 att, 11 comp, 173 yds(15.72)-40 att, 25 comp, 342 yds (13.68)
Caught 52% of passes thrown to.........Caught 63% of passes thrown to

Ronnie= 18 att, 18 comp, 143 yds(7.94)-14 att, 10 comp, 111 yds (11.1)
Caught 100% of passes thrown to........Caught 71% of passes thrown to

Randy= 17 att, 10 comp, 113 yds(11.3)-42 att, 28 comp, 256 yds (9.14)
Caught 59% of passes thrown to..........Caught 67% of passes thrown to

Just giving more light to all the QB, recevers questions...
 
Looking at those stats it's really dissappointing how little RB has been thrown to. IMO that's one of the areas that we've really underutilized his skills. All those games where the running game was struggling we should have been trying to get him the ball in space.
 
GoonBoss said:
yes and no. Depends by contract.
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Thank you...that is why I mean by usually...

So would QBs and WRs and TE and RBs...get paid by stats??? and if they do, these numbers are what should show up in their paycheck...
 
The stats to me don't look that much different. Harrington has had more games to throw in and gel with the recievers. However, Culpepper was continually getting sacked and was playing hurt. Though Harrington might be playing a bit better, I still believe Culpepper will make a good return next year.

Here's the question though...if Harrington leads us to the Playoffs, will we immediately make him the back-up QB once again? I said it at the beginning of the season, I hope we have a QB Controversy, just because that would mean we have a couple good QBs. At least it's not a controversy between Fielder and Feely...
 
fins4ever88 said:
The stats to me don't look that much different. Harrington has had more games to throw in and gel with the recievers. However, Culpepper was continually getting sacked and was playing hurt. Though Harrington might be playing a bit better, I still believe Culpepper will make a good return next year.

Here's the question though...if Harrington leads us to the Playoffs, will we immediately make him the back-up QB once again? I said it at the beginning of the season, I hope we have a QB Controversy, just because that would mean we have a couple good QBs. At least it's not a controversy between Fielder and Feely...
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That is a good problem for Saban to have next training camp...
 
Interesting that the pass distribution per game is pretty much the same between the two quarterbacks.

Culpepper Harrington

Welker 21.5% 20.1%
Chambers 32.2% 30.4%
Booker 17.4% 20.6%
Brown 14.9% 7.2%
McMichael 14.0% 21.6%

The only big differences are the percentages for Brown and McMichael. That can be explained by Brown being more of a last option for the progressions on the longer developing routes for Culpepper (and the screen passes on 3rd and long due to the sacks), and McMichael being freed up more from max protect for Harrington.

Of course, I guess that doesn't include passes to Hagan, Morris, etc.

Thanks for the research.
 
Disnardo said:
Thank you...that is why I mean by usually...

So would QBs and WRs and TE and RBs...get paid by stats??? and if they do, these numbers are what should show up in their paycheck...
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Don't try to co-opt my post.

You used your words, and I used mine. They are different.

There are certain stats that people get judged by, includeing, # of snaps played, etc. these are big boys, and, they know the deal. the reason most
of them whine is they are not getting thiers is when "X" mil bonus isn't kicking
in. The most important thing is to do your job.

Things will come out in the wash
 
Disnardo said:
Some of the post recently has shown some curiosity on weather Daunte or Joey help the the Dolphin's receiving corp... so I seperated the 1st 4 games of the season with Daunte and the other 7 games with Joey...

I laid out the "thrown to" as attempts, completions, and "yards per catch" (YPC)...

The 1st 4 games "on left" and last 7 "on the right"...

Wes= 26 att, 18 comp, 222 yds (12.33)-39 att, 26 comp, 255 yds (9.8)
Caught 69% of passes thrown to.........Caught 67% of passes thrown to

Cris= 39 att, 16 comp, 181 yds(11.31)-59 att, 23 comp, 280 yds (12.17)
Caught 41% of passes thrown to.........Caught 39% of passes thrown to

MB= 21 att, 11 comp, 173 yds(15.72)-40 att, 25 comp, 342 yds (13.68)
Caught 52% of passes thrown to.........Caught 63% of passes thrown to

Ronnie= 18 att, 18 comp, 143 yds(7.94)-14 att, 10 comp, 111 yds (11.1)
Caught 100% of passes thrown to........Caught 71% of passes thrown to

Randy= 17 att, 10 comp, 113 yds(11.3)-42 att, 28 comp, 256 yds (9.14)
Caught 59% of passes thrown to..........Caught 67% of passes thrown to

Just giving more light to all the QB, recevers questions...
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Very nice post Disnardo, I think it speaks for itself so don't really know what else to add at this point however I did want to thank you for taking the time to do this.

Cheers!
 
GoonBoss said:
Don't try to co-opt my post.

You used your words, and I used mine. They are different.

There are certain stats that people get judged by, includeing, # of snaps played, etc. these are big boys, and, they know the deal. the reason most
of them whine is they are not getting thiers is when "X" mil bonus isn't kicking
in. The most important thing is to do your job.

Things will come out in the wash
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Point taken and that is your opinion ... it was not my intention to corrupt your post, but only my take to get a clear answer...

on the other hand as to why players at times whine, I agree, their bonuses do click in at certain stats...It's a big possibility of why they do it...
 
Disnardo said:
Point taken and that is your opinion ... it was not my intention to corrupt your post, but only my take to get a clear answer...

on the other hand as to why players at times whine, I agree, their bonuses do click in at certain stats...It's a big possibility of why they do it...
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That was really my only point in that. It was a well done post.
 
what were those stats supposed to prove, exactly, to anybody who doesn't know what an "average" is?
 
Disnardo said:
Some of the post recently has shown some curiosity on weather Daunte or Joey help the the Dolphin's receiving corp... so I seperated the 1st 4 games of the season with Daunte and the other 7 games with Joey...

I laid out the "thrown to" as attempts, completions, and "yards per catch" (YPC)...

The 1st 4 games "on left" and last 7 "on the right"...

Wes= 26 att, 18 comp, 222 yds (12.33)-39 att, 26 comp, 255 yds (9.8)
Caught 69% of passes thrown to.........Caught 67% of passes thrown to

Cris= 39 att, 16 comp, 181 yds(11.31)-59 att, 23 comp, 280 yds (12.17)
Caught 41% of passes thrown to.........Caught 39% of passes thrown to

MB= 21 att, 11 comp, 173 yds(15.72)-40 att, 25 comp, 342 yds (13.68)
Caught 52% of passes thrown to.........Caught 63% of passes thrown to

Ronnie= 18 att, 18 comp, 143 yds(7.94)-14 att, 10 comp, 111 yds (11.1)
Caught 100% of passes thrown to........Caught 71% of passes thrown to

Randy= 17 att, 10 comp, 113 yds(11.3)-42 att, 28 comp, 256 yds (9.14)
Caught 59% of passes thrown to..........Caught 67% of passes thrown to

Just giving more light to all the QB, recevers questions...
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Good work however understand these stats include all the short dumps CP threw to the receivers which tend to be higher percentages. The first couple of games it seemed 60% of the passes were thrown as soon as he hiked the ball to the outside receiver who would break a tackle for 5 to 6 yards. If you recall, CP starting racking up on the sacks when the other team played man to man to prevent these type of passes.

The biggest difference between CP and JH is that JH can read a defense better and get rid of the ball anticipating the receiver getting open vs. CP waiting for he receiver to get open.

If you give CP a good line then this weakness does not show up as much for he has the arm strength to throw the long ball after the receiver gets open.

There is no comparison. Winning speaks louder than loosing. CP has shown to have a higher completion percentage but with a loosing record. It’s about ball control and not making mistakes. I am not convinced CP is our answer.

On the same note, I’m not implying JH is our answer but the kid is looking better and better each game. Joey may have a lower percentage but he reads the defense better and with each game the chemistry between the receivers and him is improving. Besides, show a trend chart from the first couple of starts vs. the last two games for JH and you will probably see a big difference.

If I was CP, I would be worried about loosing my starting job. IMO
 
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