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Dolphins Sacks Allowed and OL Evaluation from 2017

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I went through each sack allowed this season with a fine tooth comb to find get the information about where the breakdowns occurred. Down and distance, ball spot location, winning pass rush move, time from snap-to-sack, there is a lot of detail to chew on.

This one was a little more subjective than the wide receiver stuff, especially on the sacks with blown assignments/free-rushers. However, there is some really good information in there, like how we scored 0 touchdowns on the 33 drives that we allowed a sack, or only salvaged two of those possession with first downs.

I grouped together the data from a team stand-point, as well as individual performances.

https://www.lockedondolphins.com/dolphins/miami-dolphins-2017-sacks-allowed-charting/

The time from snap-to-sack is open to the most interpretation in this project. Each rep was timed several times, including multiple practice attempts to get a feel for the timing of the play. After three practice runs, each sack was replayed and timed on five occasions with the average of the five times sticking as the final number.
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Wow, great work!

Certainly points to James returning as well as Pouncey being here.

There is of course some subjectiveness that can’t account for everything such as inside pressure not allowing a QB to step up, etc.

I am curious though if the drop in sacks from Philbin to Gase has more to do with the emergence of a running game between Ajayi and Drake?
 
Kind of backs up my overall feeling. We don't have the best offensive line in football but the issues are GREATLY over stated on finheaven. Some folks think fixing an offensive line that was 10th in sacks for 2016 and 11th in 2017 is the biggest priority of the offseason. Defense is the biggest to me.
 
Good effort but I think you're creating a false narrative suggesting Gase is pass happy, imo.

I'm gonna go ahead and blame my headache on your sacks per play ratio, lol.

I think last year was such an anomoly because Cutler ended up with 2,666 yds. passing. That's right, 666, mark of the beast. Call it occultism imitating life but ask yourself how many Dolphin fans would have willingly commited mass suicide last year.
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
I went through each sack allowed this season with a fine tooth comb to find get the information about where the breakdowns occurred. Down and distance, ball spot location, winning pass rush move, time from snap-to-sack, there is a lot of detail to chew on.

This one was a little more subjective than the wide receiver stuff, especially on the sacks with blown assignments/free-rushers. However, there is some really good information in there, like how we scored 0 touchdowns on the 33 drives that we allowed a sack, or only salvaged two of those possession with first downs.

I grouped together the data from a team stand-point, as well as individual performances.

https://www.lockedondolphins.com/dolphins/miami-dolphins-2017-sacks-allowed-charting/
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Nice work.

Possible typos in the 33 yards per sack allowed in Jesse Davis and Sam Young.

I'd LOVE to see the same analysis for 2013 - 2015, but I understand that it is ancient history.
 
Couple of things. First, you can't only look at the pass pro and how many sacks they give up in order to say they were good or not. Sometimes the QB gets rid of the ball before they get sacked but it's an incomplete pass because he was being rushed. You also need to take into account how they did in the run game.

Looking at those numbers makes it look like the line was better than it actually was overall. Tunsil gave up 5 sacks but how many times did the QB had to get rid of the ball early? I don't have those numbers but I'm not buying that the line was fine. Pouncey's made out to look good by those numbers but he didn't have a good year. Penalties at the wrong time to kill drives and just not very good overall.

The OP did a great job so thank you for it. I just feel like those numbers don't tell the whole story.

One thing is clear tho, sacks killed a lot of drives and we had zero TD's on drives when we gave up a sack

Ozzy rules!!
 
DolfanISS said:
Kind of backs up my overall feeling. We don't have the best offensive line in football but the issues are GREATLY over stated on finheaven. Some folks think fixing an offensive line that was 10th in sacks for 2016 and 11th in 2017 is the biggest priority of the offseason. Defense is the biggest to me.
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It feels like it’s a bit of both. The run blocking has to get better and I think you can start that with replacing Pouncey. One thing is for sure, if they keep Pouncey on his current deal, that’s a travesty.

There’s a good chance the only player we replace is the LG. I hope not, but I can see it.
 
Pandarilla said:
Good effort but I think you're creating a false narrative suggesting Gase is pass happy, imo.

I'm gonna go ahead and blame my headache on your sacks per play ratio, lol.

I think last year was such an anomoly because Cutler ended up with 2,666 yds. passing. That's right, 666, mark of the beast. Call it occultism imitating life but ask yourself how many Dolphin fans would have willingly commited mass suicide last year.
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I got that narrative from Simon Clancy, who heard it from Adam Gase's mouth.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Nice work.

Possible typos in the 33 yards per sack allowed in Jesse Davis and Sam Young.

I'd LOVE to see the same analysis for 2013 - 2015, but I understand that it is ancient history.
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For some reason, it cut off the main part of the number (both were supposed to be 6.33). I edit it on my original document then paste it over. Got lost in translation, I suppose. Thank you for pointing it out, that's a big help to me.
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
I got that narrative from Simon Clancy, who heard it from Adam Gase's mouth.
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Fake news...Gase keeps a more balanced offense than given credit for. Most fans assume he just likes to air it out, but he was very balanced in Chicago and Ajayi's first year with him. Last year was an anomoly, imo.

Which is weird because of his low opinion of guards. He's a mystery wrapped up in an enigma, but I don't view him as a pass happy guy like Lazor is all.
 
Interesting analysis. Appreciate the effort. It definitely doesn’t tell the entire story. It would be interesting to also add in the number of pressures allowed by the offensive line, where a QB had to throw the ball away or the play was broken. Would also be interesting to see the number of times a RB was contacted in the backfield. Then also add in the enormous number of penalties.

In total, this would paint a more complete picture of a pretty horrendous offensive line.

But I understand this was only an analysis of the 33 sacks allowed.
 
TraderJoe said:
I am curious though if the drop in sacks from Philbin to Gase has more to do with the emergence of a running game between Ajayi and Drake?
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Not so sure about the emergence of a running game when this past
year we were last in the NFL in rushing attempts.
 
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