Dolphins sign Marcus Maye

[The Ghost]

Maye is costing New Orleans 8.1M in dead cap space this year, wondering if we possibly got him for the veteran minimum?

It looks like New Orleans is eating part of his guaranteed salary to have a dead cap hit that big, in the last year of his contract. His scheduled salary was $7M this year, but his signing bonus was only $6M in 2022, on a three year deal. So quick math, only about $2M of that bonus money should be part of that dead cap space.

Can’t tell if he restructured or not the new Sportrac website sucks ass.

 

[Marino48hof]

I said that.

It isn't a question of can. It's a question of if you get a good one. Day three starts with round 4.

The chances of a rd4 selection are documented and have been posted. They are not good.

Are you looking for Derwin James or Brandon Jones?

Actually, I think the Dolphins may be doing it right with, cheaper but savvy and experienced vets.

It's not hard to find a solid safety on day 3.

It is hard to find premium talent at premium positions on day 3. For safety this isn't true.

If your gm/ scouting dept can't find competent safeties on day 3 you have bigger problems

 

[fansinceGWilson]

Generally I do agree with you, but I'm more concerned about drafting injury prone players. Which Grier does too often IMO.

As we know, sometimes you can get bargains in free agency and a lot of times those are players coming off injuries.

Long is an example of one bargain that worked out. Obviously, some don't.

Grier: hey, I just signed a new Safety. Lot's of injuries, but he's cheap.

Mcd: please, no. How many times have I asked you to give me a say in signings?

 

[Marino48hof]

Finding 33 and 31 year olds isn’t the way to build a defense that’s good for a long time. Perfect when we are on a budget but not sustainable. Holland is a top 5 safety in the league.

Again they drafted a safety and you can find these guys on day 3

 

[Mach2]

Again they drafted a safety and you can find these guys on day 3

You keep saying that. Please provide empirical evidence and/or specific examples.

There are in the neighborhood of 64 starting Safeties. Not all of them are good. Solid is a subjective descriptor, but if it's as common as you purport, examples should be easy.

I'll get you started. Here are 32 Safeties considered solid or better.

Good luck finding more than a couple that were day 3 picks.

PFF Safety Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2023 NFL season

The Los Angeles Chargers' Derwin James claims the top spot in these NFL safety rankings ahead of the 2023 season.

www.pff.com

 

[Marino48hof]

You keep saying that. Please provide empirical evidence and/or specific examples.

There are in the neighborhood of 64 starting Safeties. Not all of them are good. Solid is a subjective descriptor, but if it's as common as you purport, examples should be easy.

I'll get you started. Here are 32 Safeties considered solid or better.

Good luck finding more than a couple that were day 3 picks.

PFF Safety Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2023 NFL season

The Los Angeles Chargers' Derwin James claims the top spot in these NFL safety rankings ahead of the 2023 season.

www.pff.com

Jordan poyer was a 7th Rd pick
Reshad Jones was a 5th Rd pick

Kam chancellor was a 5th Rd pick

There are an insane amount of other examples. It's just not a position that's hard to find

Be it on day 3 or as a cheap fa option as we are literally seeing.

 

[Marino2.0]

You keep saying that. Please provide empirical evidence and/or specific examples.

There are in the neighborhood of 64 starting Safeties. Not all of them are good. Solid is a subjective descriptor, but if it's as common as you purport, examples should be easy.

I'll get you started. Here are 32 Safeties considered solid or better.

Good luck finding more than a couple that were day 3 picks.

PFF Safety Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2023 NFL season

The Los Angeles Chargers' Derwin James claims the top spot in these NFL safety rankings ahead of the 2023 season.

www.pff.com

So annoying when people on here act like Day 3 picks are supposed to be NFL starters (at any position). Even second round picks are like 50/50 to still be in the NFL after their rookie deal expires. A 6th round pick isn’t even a coin flip—it’s a dice roll.

McMorris probably won’t even make our 53 man roster, and that’s not because he was a bad pick. In the sixth and seventh rounds, you’re drafting for your practice squad.

 

[Marino48hof]

So annoying when people on here act like Day 3 picks are supposed to be NFL starters (at any position). Even second round picks are like 50/50 to still be in the NFL after their rookie deal expires. A 6th round pick isn’t even a coin flip—it’s a dice roll.

McMorris probably won’t even make our 53 man roster, and that’s not because he was a bad pick. In the sixth and seventh rounds, you’re drafting for your practice squad.

Nobody said day 3 picks are " supposed to be starters at any position"

I said it's not hard to find a solid safety on day 3.

That's the point

 

[TheMageGandalf]

Nobody said day 3 picks are " supposed to be starters at any position"

I said it's not hard to find a solid safety on day 3.

That's the point

Alright I'm going devils advocate here so dont go crazy...

you mentioned a few guys that's good and all and like you said there are others...but you got to think about how many FAILED so you say OK out of say 25 guys... 2 were good... and so on...so you see what the odds are of you landing a good one because you can't just say it's not hard to find a safety if only 5 out of 100 are good as that's a 95% failure rate as an example and I dont call finding one under those odds as easy.

 

[JamesWsenior]

Alright I'm going devils advocate here so dont go crazy...

you mentioned a few guys that's good and all and like you said there are others...but you got to think about how many FAILED so you say OK out of say 25 guys... 2 were good... and so on...so you see what the odds are of you landing a good one because you can't just say it's not hard to find a safety if only 5 out of 100 are good as that's a 95% failure rate as an example and I dont call finding one under those odds as easy.

Solidly not good enough?

 

[Mach2]

Jordan poyer was a 7th Rd pick
Reshad Jones was a 5th Rd pick

Kam chancellor was a 5th Rd pick

There are an insane amount of other examples. It's just not a position that's hard to find

Be it on day 3 or as a cheap fa option as we are literally seeing.

That is ridiculous. Jones was drafted in 2010. You can't cherry picks a few players over a 25 year span to make the point you are attempting to make.

You are smarter than that.

Of course you can find examples of you expand the time frame over two and a half decades of drafts

You are suggesting it is easy and common. That's not the same thing.

A true indicator would be the number of guys drafted rd4 or lower playing in the league at the same time. Otherwise you are not supporting the claim.

I know it would take some effort. In fact, I spent over a half hour looking at names of guys currently playing and their draft position because I prefer not to just say things without some idea what I'm talking about. I got through about 20 and realized what you are saying in not accurate.

Believe what you want, or what "seems" true to you. No problem, but it is not supported by the reality of the situation unless your definition of solid is a hell of a lot less of a player than mine.

 

[Mach2]

So annoying when people on here act like Day 3 picks are supposed to be NFL starters (at any position). Even second round picks are like 50/50 to still be in the NFL after their rookie deal expires. A 6th round pick isn’t even a coin flip—it’s a dice roll.

McMorris probably won’t even make our 53 man roster, and that’s not because he was a bad pick. In the sixth and seventh rounds, you’re drafting for your practice squad.

I was going to post the rd by rd drop in talent for the umpteenth time, but I figured what's the point.

Ppl get ideas in their head, and don't look back and dismiss the historical realities.

 

[Mach2]

Alright I'm going devils advocate here so dont go crazy...

you mentioned a few guys that's good and all and like you said there are others...but you got to think about how many FAILED so you say OK out of say 25 guys... 2 were good... and so on...so you see what the odds are of you landing a good one because you can't just say it's not hard to find a safety if only 5 out of 100 are good as that's a 95% failure rate as an example and I dont call finding one under those odds as easy.

Context matters........

 

[Mach2]

Nobody said day 3 picks are " supposed to be starters at any position"

I said it's not hard to find a solid safety on day 3.

That's the point

So now a non starting caliber player is "solid"?

WTH are we talking about here?

 

[Ray R]

Exactly. Grier has never seen an injury prone player that he didn’t like.

I have only one name to put forward when talking about bringing in a player who is coming off an injury:

Drew Brees
Enough said. - LOL