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With linebacker, here’s what we know:
### Who starts alongside Jelani Jenkins and Koa Misi? The Dolphins say that decision won’t be made for a long time.
“Probably midway to the latter part of training camp before we’re settled on who the top three guys are,” defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle said.

### The Dolphins are looking closely at two potential starting groups: Misi in the middle, flanked by Jenkins and Chris McCain; or Kelvin Sheppard in the middle, paired with Jenkins and Misi.

For now, they’re giving a lot of first-team snaps to McCain.
But “the message I’ve given to all of them is the best three guys will play,” linebackers coach Mark Duffner said.
### The Dolphins expect to have only two linebackers on the field more than half the time, as they did the second half of last season. So the importance of the third starter shouldn’t be overstated.

### Besides working with the starters at strong-side linebacker (a position handled by Philip Wheeler last year), McCain also is being used to potentially fill the Dion Jordan defensive end role on third downs. It’s a big jump in responsibility for a player who logged just 46 defensive snaps last season.

“He’s got true linebacker skills,” Duffner said, noting that McCain played outside linebacker in a 4-3 at California. He had 14.5 tackles for loss and five sacks in 24 games there before being dismissed from the team for reasons that have never been disclosed.

“He’s got very good pass rush upside,” Duffner added.
But how good is he against run?
“Hard to say yet,” Duffner said. “Because he’s lanky, people have some questions about that. We’ll see when he gets pads on. With his length and stature [6-5, 250 pounds], that allows for a lot of good things to happen.”
Former Dolphins linebacker and WINZ Dolphins analyst Kim Bokamperputs it this way: “Is he a pass rusher or an every down linebacker? That’s the question for me.”

### There are several key people inside the Dolphins who like Sheppard, even though he couldn’t retain starting positions long-term in Buffalo (which drafted him in the third round out of LSU in 2011 and later traded him) or Indianapolis, which chose not to bring him back after one season (2013).

Pro Football Focus graded him below average overall among starting inside linebackers and especially poor against the run (bottom 20 percent) when he started 15 games for Buffalo in 2012 and seven for the Colts in 2013.
But Duffner said “he’s a fireball in terms of what he’s doing on the field and the weight room. Really excited what he brings.”
### After replacing injured Dannell Ellerbe midway through last season's opener, Jenkins was something of a revelation, with 110 tackles (22nd in the league), 3.5 sacks and two forced fumbles.

The flip side: PFF rated him 24th of 40 linebackers --- seventh in coverage but just 36th against the run.
Jenkins was part of the defense that was steamrolled on the ground in several late-season games, and Jenkins conceded recently that he must “eliminate errors. I'm in position where if I do make an error, it's a big play.” He also said he must “keep my eyes where they're supposed to be in man coverage.”

Duffner is challenging Jenkins: “I want to see him take a step forward as a productive player and aware player.”
### Misi said “nothing is set in stone” about what position he’ll play.

In his first year at middle linebacker last season, PFF rated Misi 12th of 60 inside linebackers. But he missed five games, meaning he has been sidelined 12 games in his five-year career.

The Dolphins explored middle linebackers this offseason, but the Jets’ David Harris never made it to free agency; Mason Foster said Miami finished second behind Chicago in the pursuit for him; and the Dolphins passed on new Patriot Brandon Spikes because of vulnerabilities in pass coverage.
### The Dolphins have given some first-team outside linebacker snaps to Spencer Paysinger, who has 14 starts in four seasons, including one for the Giants last season.

“He has cover skills but he’s marginal to poor vs. the run,” an NFC scout said. “Doesn’t have the strength to play the run well. Good special teams player.”

### Jordan Tripp, who played just nine defensive snaps as a rookie, “has had a great camp,” Coyle said. Duffner also mentioned that Tripp has really come along.

Also, Duffner said the Dolphins had draft-able grades on the four linebackers they signed after the draft, all of whom ranked in the top 14 in the NCAA in tackles last season: Penn State’s Mike Hull (the Big 10 linebacker of the year), Cincinnati’s Jeff Luc, Marshall’s Neville Hewitt and Utah State’s Zach Vigil.
“We were very fortunate to get all four; all are hungry, competitive guys, highly heralded,” Duffner said.

With Luc, “you see physicality, really good movement skills… Hull has a knack for being around the football. He’s made a big play in every practice.”

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...s-ummls-update-golden-heat-draft-marlins.html
 
I understand going young at the position and hope someone emerges from among Mike Hull, Jeff Luc, Zach Vigil, Neville Hewitt and Jordan Tripp. Signing Suh and drafting Phillips should help the linebackers. Lots of question marks there, though, including Koa Misi if he ends up a middle linebacker and, as the article stated, whether Chris McCain can help in run support. At some point, you've got to find out if young players can play. That Miami is counting on so many young players at linebacker and on the offensive line is a concern.

In the back of my mind I keep wondering what it would take to get Mychal Kendricks from Philly. Versatile player who could play inside and outside and be an upgrade over every linebacker on this roster. Do we have the cap room to sign him long-term if a trade could be made and how would that impact the team in terms of signing some other players already here?
 
I think they will go into TC with what they have and if they don't see it happening at OL or LB maybe they make a move. I expect them to stick to their convictions or whatever you want to call it and give the young guys every possible chance to step up until it looks even more obvious things are not going to work out (like the center problem in camp with the snaps) before they make any other moves.
 
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I'm interested to see what an offseason of NFL training has done to Tripp, some bulk and strength could make him a good linebacker
 
This is like when you have no clean shirts hanging in the closet and you're looking through the pile of dirty ones trying to decide which one you can get away with wearing.


But Duffner said “he’s a fireball in terms of what he’s doing on the field and the weight room. Really excited what he brings.”

That comment about Sheppard to me was like, pause, well this is about the best thing I can come up with off the top of my head about him at the moment.
 
I'm looking forward to see if Tripp can use his amazing athleticism to the football field
Less we forget Tripp had a 6.89 second three cone drill time which would have been 4th best
of any linebacker in the 2015 draft as well as a 3.96 second short shuttle time which
would have been #1 of any linebacker in the 2015 draft and tied with AJ Hawk for the
best short shuttle time of any linebacker at the combine since 2006.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-draft/2014/4/14/5608350/nfl-draft-2014-sparq-profiling-part-6-lb
 
This is like when you have no clean shirts hanging in the closet and you're looking through the pile of dirty ones trying to decide which one you can get away with wearing.
LOL. Does kind of feel that way. Players can emerge and that's obviously the hope. It's also obvious that Miami's focus is more on the defensive line and defensive backfield, which makes sense since the team often employs two linebackers. Still would be nice to have two really good linebackers.
 
Players can emerge and that's obviously the hope.

Absolutely ...and we'd better hope that's the case because going into the preseason, we're looking pretty vulnerable at linebacker. And if no one emerges as a true #2 corner, we have even bigger problems. Truth be told, I'm more worried about our long term outlook at cornerback than I am at linebacker.
 
I would love to see Luc emerge....if he figures things out....he could be a beast.
Jeff Luc is a beast
Luc was one of a few guys who turned heads during Tuesday morning's weigh-in, when he checked in at 5-foot-11 and a stout 263 pounds. Despite looking every little bit of that 263, the Cincinnati linebacker still flashed impressive movement during practice. Luc was able to turn and run with the North's running backs, save for one takedown of Ameer Abdullah during a pass route
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Absolutely ...and we'd better hope that's the case because going into the preseason, we're looking pretty vulnerable at linebacker. And if no one emerges as a true #2 corner, we have even bigger problems. Truth be told, I'm more worried about our long term outlook at cornerback than I am at linebacker.

I think we could be ok at the nickel corner spot but corners to play the boundary - have to be a concern on the list especially going forward.
 
If McCain can build off what he showed flashes of last year and can keep his **** together on Twitter then I think we can possibly be good at LB. Although I'm only counting on Misi for about 8-10 games realistically
 
I could've swore the title said.

"Dolphins snort through LBS"

That's the reason for incompetence around the team.
 
Mccain misi jenkins ideal scenario...only consider sheppard as mike starter if mccains not ready...if miami plans to play so much with 2 lbs on the field this year better hope the dts are getting the job done up front...2 lbs and a walk up box safety only works if the dts are puttting in work...thats why ideal dt starters would be suh and philips...but is phillips ready and will he get a chance to unseat mitchell in camp? Poa wise ideally suh and philips look the fit

If the 2 lbs and walk up box safety doesnt work here comes a whole lot more base personnel lb looks to try and offset...which really exposed miamis lb core last year
 
We can sort the deck t linebacker we have all we want but its a big weakness. Hopefully we draw some new cards. Even if you think we have three decent starters our backups are basically fodder.
I personally see two decent starters and a guy with potential that I don't think fits our scheme. Hopefully one of the unheralded guys will step up.
 
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