Dolphins trying to extend Roth's contract ?

[JT-forpresident]

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/story/1127606.html

right under the article on Wilford's transition, the first "chatter" paragraph


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• The Dolphins are interested in extending the contract of potential 2010 free agent Matt Roth, but agent Drew Rosenhaus said a deal is not close: ''We've exchanged proposals.'' . . . Coach Tony Sparano said he would love to give Patrick Cobbs more carries. Cobbs had 12 for 88 yards in 2008. "


i find this very interesting... if they're trying to re-sign him now, it must mean that they like a lot of things about him... i'm not too fond of his play but i'm also aware that it was his first year as a 3-4 OLB...

 

[Decleater]

i'm not too fond of his play but i'm also aware that it was his first year as a 3-4 OLB...

What exactly don't you like? The way he consistently set the edge, forced teams to keep their TE in to block, and got 5 sacks only playing 1st and 2nd down? If your going to resign Crowder may as well sign a guy who actually got his job done.

 

[JT-forpresident]

What exactly don't you like? The way he consistently set the edge, forced teams to keep their TE in to block, and got 5 sacks only playing 1st and 2nd down? If your going to resign Crowder may as well sign a guy who actually got his job done.

what i don't like, is seeing other 3-4 teams have woodley/harrisson , ware/ellis(now spencer) , Thomas/Vrabel(now crabble) , pace/gholston/thomas , suggs/johnson , etc

and when you look at that, you see duos better and some worse than roth/porter... but what you notice in those who are better, is that both of the OLBs are pro-bowl talent. Roth is a good OLB, especially considering what you already mentionned, but we need some more pass rush because late in the season, it was our problem and roth was part of it

 

[dolfan_germany]

I'd like to see one more year of him in the 3-4 as an OLB and then look at his contract situation..
I liked his play but he has to get to the Quarterback more consistenly however I expect that this will be possible this year because we have many quality pass-rushers..

I am interested what these proposals looked like. I bet the proposal from Rosenhaus was really waaay to high

 

[JT-forpresident]

I'd like to see one more year of him in the 3-4 as an OLB and then look at his contract situation..
I liked his play but he has to get to the Quarterback more consistenly however I expect that this will be possible this year because we have many qualtity pass-rushers..

I am interested what these proposals looked like. I bet the proposal from Rosenhaus was really waaay to high

yeah i would've thought they would've handled roth like they handled crowder/carey/bell/hill/goodman... let'em play the season and see afterwards

 

[j-off-her-doll]

I actually like Roth a good deal. He's one of the most underrated run defenders in the league, and with some stability - his 2nd season at OLB - he could excel in other areas as well (coverage and pass rushing). He's nowhere near the pass rusher than J. Allen is, but he's a high motor guy like Allen, and losing 10lbs should help his quickness. I expect to see him tally two or three more sacks this season. It also says A LOT that even after signing Taylor, they're planning on starting Roth.

I expect the FO is looking at extending his contract before the season because they expect him to improve a good deal this season. If he does excel, he'll be much more expensive after the season, and if they didn't expect him to play big, they'd take a more wait-and-see approach.

 

[hemidemon]

what i don't like, is seeing other 3-4 teams have timmons/harrisson , ware/ellis(now spencer) , Thomas/Vrabel(now crabble) , pace/gholston/thomas , suggs/johnson , etc

and when you look at that, you see duos better and some worse than roth/porter... but what you notice in those who are better, is that both of the OLBs are pro-bowl talent. Roth is a good OLB, especially considering what you already mentionned, but we need some more pass rush because late in the season, it was our problem and roth was part of it

Gholston!? He didn't do jack last year.

 

[JT-forpresident]

Gholston!? He didn't do jack last year.

which does to tell you how good the other two in front of him were... gholston isn't as good as the 4th pick the jets used (4th ?...) but he's still got potential... the jets' two OLB were pretty darn good

 

[RoninFin4]

As I mentioned before in the Wilford thread, I'm pretty happy about this move if it happens. Roth is one of, if not the best, edge-setting OLB in the NFL (Woodley makes it close). With a full offseason under his belt, not just training camp, and getting his groin repaired - we should see some significant improvement in Roth's game. I still think having guys like Anderson, Taylor, and Wake to spell him on passing downs is the way to go, but he's about as good a 2-down SOLB you can get.

 

[ciscoholgate]

what i don't like, is seeing other 3-4 teams have timmons/harrisson , ware/ellis(now spencer) , Thomas/Vrabel(now crabble) , pace/gholston/thomas , suggs/johnson , etc

and when you look at that, you see duos better and some worse than roth/porter... but what you notice in those who are better, is that both of the OLBs are pro-bowl talent. Roth is a good OLB, especially considering what you already mentionned, but we need some more pass rush because late in the season, it was our problem and roth was part of it

Just to give you an idea of how well Roth and Porter played last season:

Dolphins: Roth/Porter - 22.5 sacks 10th Rush D
Cowboys: Ware/Ellis - 28.0 sacks 12th Rush D
Jets: Thomas/Pace 12.5 sacks 7th Rush D
Steelers: Harrison/Woodley 27.5 sacks 2nd Rush D
Ravens: Suggs/Johnson 12.0 sacks 3rd Rush D
Patriots: Thomas/Vrabel 9.0 sacks 15th Rush D
Chargers: Phillips/Tucker 13.0 sacks 11th Rush D

Porter and Roth were very solid last year. I especially like the fact that Roth had success against the run in his first year as a SOLB. He is very solid and I think he will improve his pass rushing skills from the edge this year. I don't expect Porter do duplicate the success he had last year, but he will still be a force.

Of the list above I think I would take two of the OLB pairs over our own, but those two are just fine. I do think Roth improve upon his play last year and I do think we will extend him. The guy is tough, physical, and plays with his head. Just my two cents.

 

[ADavieDolphin]

Roth is such a stout SOLB, especially on running downs.
His skill set is unique to the team, and the coaching staff loves his attitude, Roth is a Parcells type player, that just happened to be drafted by Saban, however Saban can't be given tons of credit.. Roth was supposed to be a late first rounder, and Saban just took great value.

I hope Roth is extended, i realize he wasn't the best in coverage last year, but JT has been doing that for years and Roth will only get better at the position. I just don't see a guy like Matt Roth regressing.

Cobbs deserves more carries, i wouldn't be suprised if he stays as a 2/3 back for many years. Ronnie and Cobbs would be tight when Ricky's done, and if we can't resign Ronnie and don't resign ricky, then we could draft RB specialists in the later rounds. Cobbs, a smaller, quick utility guy, then you need a power back like R. Brown or B. Jacobs, and someone like a Tashard Choice, Kevin Smith to just gitrdun...

 

[dlockz]

I dont mind extending Roth but hopefully he wont get alot of money because he really has not done alot as a dolphin.

 

[ckparrothead]

He's pretty one-dimensional at a position that usually requires multi-dimensionality. But, he fits for now. I hope he doesn't ask for too much money. I wonder if he'll get any better in his second year as a OLB. I wouldn't count on it.

What you really want is a guy that can do what he does and also provide pass rush on your pass rush lines. He should be able to do multiple jobs, but he can really only do one.

 

[Lord Of Miami]

I know this is news to some here but Rosenhaus talked about the Dolphins trying to re/up Roth after the 4th game last year.

Back then on wqam he said they were going to wait.Odd's are because they knew they could get more money that way.

Some of you seem to think Bill likes to have to two pass rushers as OLB's but that's never been how he set's up his "D" it has always been a run defender on one side and a pass rusher on the other.

As long as Bill, Jeff, and Tony are running the show in Miami that won't change.

 

[JT-forpresident]

He's pretty one-dimensional at a position that usually requires multi-dimensionality. But, he fits for now. I hope he doesn't ask for too much money. I wonder if he'll get any better in his second year as a OLB. I wouldn't count on it.

What you really want is a guy that can do what he does and also provide pass rush on your pass rush lines. He should be able to do multiple jobs, but he can really only do one.

that's my main problem with roth, but people keep answering "blablabla have you seen him on running downs blablabla" and while i agree that he is good at that, people don't seem to understand the importance of the OLB position in a 3-4, but mostly, the importance of having 2 very good players who can do it all (pass rush, set edge, drop back in coverage). it's so easy to shy away from roth on second downs, slide the protection over joey's side and execute 3 steps drops or playactions without fear of being sacked, to me it's just frustrating, because i know roth is facing a lot of one on ones and he ain't winning a whole lot of'em (5 sacks ? i count 4 because i recall him coming untouched for a sack in the san fran game if i'm correct... not spectacular)

on the other hand, i know how hard it is to adjust to a new scheme, leanr it, and try to play it without thinking all the time. That's why i'm giving roth another year to show me what he's got, but that's also why i'm surprised at the contract extension proposal he got, because it's weird to propose an extension to a devellopmental guy only after his first year as a starter in which he played good in 1/3 of the situations