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Ryan Tannehill and Joe Philbin. It's time to find an Elite or at least franchise quarterback and a quality Head Coach. I don't think Miami will be in position to draft Jameis or Mariota and Cook and Hundley aren't upgrades. As far as head coaches Miami's #1 option should be there former DL coach and current Seahawks DC Dan Quinn. After that Jimbo Fisher and Gus Malzahn should be the next targets. I like Hickey and what he has done. I think he should stay. Tannehill is the 20th best quarterback in the league and is never going to be much better than that. Philbin is one of the worst 3-5 head coaches in the NFL. This team will always be .500 with them as the faces of the franchise. Notice how Miami always plays up for New England but can't for Buffalo or New York? That's because he is not a leader of men and his players will never play hard for him.
 
What longtime NFL scout Dan Shonka said about Ryan Tannehill:

2012 Guide: What Ourlads' NFL Scouting Services said about RYAN TANNEHILL: Texas A&M, 6037 221 4.65. Started 19 games at quarterback in his career and ran an NFL scripted offense installed by former Packer head coach Mike Sherman. He caught 11 passes for 143 yards before moving over to quarterback at mid-season in 2010. Played under center and also in the shotgun. A right-handed passer with good arm strength and athletic ability. Athletically Tannehill has certain critical factors and position specifics that are holding him back. Book smart but does he process football information quickly at the line of scrimmage or on the run? There were several cases where he could have easily run for a first down and he threw a poor pass or threw the ball away. Consistency was best against weaker opponents. Against Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Texas, and Oklahoma State his record was 0-6 and he had a 12/12 TD/INT ratio. He averaged 5.7 yards per attempt in three games completing 57% of his passes. His decision making and field vision are in question because of throwing into double coverage and forcing the ball into coverage. He doesn’t seem comfortable in the pocket. Throws best on roll out and sprint out type action. Ball placement has been inconsistent, struggling to put the ball where the receiver doesn’t have to adjust before running. Despite his tall stature his delivery point is low and gets several tipped passes. Must develop quarterback sixth sense in the pocket. He has the athletic tools to play quarterback, but lacks the game time experience of several quarterbacks coming out. He needs to improve on his accuracy, “feel” for the position, decision making, game management, and consistency. As a wide receiver, Tannehill caught 112 passes good for 4th in school history and gained 1596 yards which ranked him 5th on the Aggie all-time list. He also scored 10 receiving touchdowns. He is the only FBS player with 3000 passing yards and 1500 receiving yards to his credit. He also has a 400-yard passing game and a 200-yard receiving game. Grades out as a good backup who may be an eventual starter with developmental time. 2011 stats: 327/531, 3744 passing yds, 61.6%, 29 TDs, 15 INTs. Did not work out at the Combine. Second/third round. (A-32 5/8, H-9, SS-DNP, VJ-DNP).
 
Here is what draft expert for this site TedSlimmJr. said about Tannehill


A lot of people ask the question about Tannehill's leadership and command of the huddle. I'll say this... if you're looking for the type of quarterback who plays on the edge, barks at receivers, and displays leadership skills visibly, he's not that type of player.

He's very intelligent, respected by teammates and coaches, extremely disciplined, and has impeccable character. There are no red flags here whatsoever.



Mechanically, he needs some tweaking with his throwing arm. He has to get that throwing elbow up to where it's consistently at shoulder level. He gets a significant amout of passes batted down at the LOS because of it. More than you want to see. The other half of that is not staring down his intended target once he has to come off his initial progression. Defensive lineman are coached to get their hands up when they see you lock on, especially if they know they can't get to you. Manipulating passing lanes is one of the finer details of playing the position that comes with experience, which Tannehill doesn't have much of.

This throwing elbow drops even lower when he throws on the run, although it's obviously not as detrimental when there's green grass in front of you as opposed to 3 or 4 defensive linemen in your face. He throws well on the run despite this because he always makes sure his shoulders are square to the target before he turns it loose. This is a fundamental key for WCO quarterbacks who execute numerous sprint outs, bootlegs, and waggles.

He has the footwork of the various drops required of him ingrained. The 3 and 5 quick, 3 and 5 with a hitch, Drift Drop, etc.... he executes them all with efficient footwork. Keeps his head level and spine angle neutral during his drops from under center. This is probably his biggest plus in my opinion, and the reason he developed into a legitimate quarterback prospect as soon as he did after playing wide receiver.

The only issue I see with his footwork is when he has to come off his initial progression and move to #2 or #3. He doesn't always reset his feet, and this is where his accuracy suffers most.

Pocket presence. He has it. If he didn't, he wouldn't even be on my draft board. Period. Does a good job of keeping his eye level up while looking to extend plays with his feet. However, he doesn't really show the ability to squirt out of danger. If a defender gets a hand on him, he goes down easily. This is his game manager mentality that he developed as a Senior that he didn't have as a Junior, which I'll touch on later.


His worst tendancy in the pocket is to always drift straight backwards and throw off his back foot when pressure is in his face. Just looks completely unprepared for it most of the time.


Tannehill throws with good anticipation when he's required to get the ball out to his initial read the instant his back foot hits on a quick read when he knows he has single coverage on the outside. Most quarterbacks can anticipate these types of throws. Where he gets into trouble is when his initial progression isn't there and he has to come off of it, which I mentioned earlier. His anticipation drops in quality here because he's still not comfortable reading a defender's intent yet. It causes him to be late on a LOT of throws, and it's usually where he makes his biggest mistakes.


I've mentioned before several times that I thought he played better as a Junior than he did this year. He was much more impressive leading that Aggie team last year which is why I felt like he had 1st round potential. However, he looked more tentative as a Senior. He mentioned at his pro day that this was one of the the primary things he and Chris Weinke were working on - changing his tendancy to overthink and just trust his trigger. Let it go.

Rather than take over games like he did as a Junior, he seemed content as a Senior to just be a piece of the puzzle. There's a significant difference between his Junior tape and Senior tape. He was putting the team on his back last year, not just managing like he did this year. He made more mistakes, but he made them being aggressive and decisive. This year he made those mistakes being hesitant and undecisive. He wasn't as comfortable taking the game on his shoulders, and plenty of mental mistakes show up in his situational understanding of game. The drive to close the first half against Oklahoma that I pointed out a while back is one of the best examples of this.

The bottom line is, if he plays in the NFL like he did as a Senior, I have a hard time seeing him as anything more than a game manager... who folds up in crunch time, like he did this year.

There's plenty to like about him, but not in the top 10. He's not a franchise quarterback.

If it's me, I'm taking an elite player with that pick and not apologizing for doing it.
 
I disagree. I dont think they can get to .500 this year if Tannehill starts every game.

There is just too much film out there on him now. Starting with the Panthers game last year, defensive coordinators are wise to it all. Defenses have zero fear of being beaten deep with Tannehill throwing the ball. It is going to get worse before it gets better.
 
WVDolphan said:
I disagree. I dont think they can get to .500 this year if Tannehill starts every game.

There is just too much film out there on him now. Starting with the Panthers game last year, defensive coordinators are wise to it all. Defenses have zero fear of being beaten deep with Tannehill throwing the ball. It is going to get worse before it gets better.
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He isn't very good throwing it between the numbers either...
 
Tannenballs said:
What longtime NFL scout Dan Shonka said about Ryan Tannehill:

2012 Guide: What Ourlads' NFL Scouting Services said about RYAN TANNEHILL: Texas A&M, 6037 221 4.65. Started 19 games at quarterback in his career and ran an NFL scripted offense installed by former Packer head coach Mike Sherman. He caught 11 passes for 143 yards before moving over to quarterback at mid-season in 2010. Played under center and also in the shotgun. A right-handed passer with good arm strength and athletic ability. Athletically Tannehill has certain critical factors and position specifics that are holding him back. Book smart but does he process football information quickly at the line of scrimmage or on the run? There were several cases where he could have easily run for a first down and he threw a poor pass or threw the ball away. Consistency was best against weaker opponents. Against Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Texas, and Oklahoma State his record was 0-6 and he had a 12/12 TD/INT ratio. He averaged 5.7 yards per attempt in three games completing 57% of his passes. His decision making and field vision are in question because of throwing into double coverage and forcing the ball into coverage. He doesn’t seem comfortable in the pocket. Throws best on roll out and sprint out type action. Ball placement has been inconsistent, struggling to put the ball where the receiver doesn’t have to adjust before running. Despite his tall stature his delivery point is low and gets several tipped passes. Must develop quarterback sixth sense in the pocket. He has the athletic tools to play quarterback, but lacks the game time experience of several quarterbacks coming out. He needs to improve on his accuracy, “feel” for the position, decision making, game management, and consistency. As a wide receiver, Tannehill caught 112 passes good for 4th in school history and gained 1596 yards which ranked him 5th on the Aggie all-time list. He also scored 10 receiving touchdowns. He is the only FBS player with 3000 passing yards and 1500 receiving yards to his credit. He also has a 400-yard passing game and a 200-yard receiving game. Grades out as a good backup who may be an eventual starter with developmental time. 2011 stats: 327/531, 3744 passing yds, 61.6%, 29 TDs, 15 INTs. Did not work out at the Combine. Second/third round. (A-32 5/8, H-9, SS-DNP, VJ-DNP).
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That guy knows what he is talking about.
 
I can't see us making any kind of playoff run with either one of these guys. When we drafted tannehill I was pumped. 3 years latter not so much. His pocket presence and accuracy haven't improved as far as im concerned
 
retarmyfinfan said:
That guy knows what he is talking about.
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He runs Ourlads.com and was a scout for 16 years for National Football Scouting, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, Kansas City Chiefs, and the Philadelphia Stars of the old USFL.

He's the best draft analyst there is. I really like Daniel Jeremiah too.
 
Wow. Hard to argue with either of those evals after 2+ years...

NO GROWTH...
 
He simply doesn't have it. He's not Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Matt Leinart bad. But he should have never been picked in the first round. The athleticism and arm strength are intoxicating, but the mental part of the game is of the utmost importance for a quarterback and that's what he severely lacks. He's an average/below average starting quarterback who would be a very good backup.
 
Tannehill is just a little more athletic version of Chad Henne imo. Tannehill seems too robotic and has not improved much at all from his rookie season.

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Unless the light comes on and he really steps it up we need a new starting QB in 2015.
 
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