Don't kill me...but I don't think Reshad Jones was terrible

[gdiaz0358]

I think he deserves another shot, it was only his second start, and vs the Pats none the less. I think he brings more to the table then Clemmons.

 

[hoops]

clemons at free safety last year was your average joe...made no game changing or momentum changing plays...purely average...we need a guy who can make plays on the ball at one of the safety positions...reshad does give us that potential...clemons is not that guy

i'll take my chances with reshad jones...for now at least...despite not the great fit...its not like clemons did anything to get excited about...

as for cam wake yeah i expected more but it didn;t happen and he looked gassed at times in that game...but unfortunately cause these guys don't know how to find pass rush help in the first place we are gonna be stuck this year...either wake provides the rush or we have to blitz like heck to generate any...and we'll get torched down the field against good qbs

koa misi and jason taylor will never take any stress of cam wake...never...i saw this coming a mile away...cam wake or nothing

 

[kizzaboo]

Many of you are exactly right. The Vontae getting burned early was not Jones' fault. He bit hard up field and didnt provide help, though he should have. The QB and WR saw he bit and ran a skinny post at the top of the route and Vontae had already missed a step to begin with. Bad play? Yes. Terrible unforgivable play? No.

The Welker play was just a combination of Jones trying to find a way to make a play and he taking a bad angle.

Tony Sparano
On the safety’s help on the big plays “Well, on one of them, we took a bad angle…not a great angle, which was on the Wes (Welker) play…we try to go after the ball there and that was not just a great angle on that particular play… all that being said, you know, that wasn’t his man.”

He did not at any point in the game single handedly give up big chunks of yards like Vontae, Bess or Carrol. Could he have helped? Yes. Considering his play outside of those 2 plays, and his help in the run game, chasing down other DBs assingnments, he hardly was the weakest link Monday night.

 

[hoops]

so you leave benny sapp on a straight vertical route down the field with no help on wes welker...after he had run circles against sapp down the field the entire night...i don't know about that logic but i know we brought the house on the play trying to once again generate some damn pass rush...we just got owned...thank god there's not 31 other tom bradys

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Many of you are exactly right. The Vontae getting burned early was not Jones' fault. He bit hard up field and didnt provide help, though he should have. The QB and WR saw he bit and ran a skinny post at the top of the route and Vontae had already missed a step to begin with. Bad play? Yes. Terrible unforgivable play? No.

The Welker play was just a combination of Jones trying to find a way to make a play and he taking a bad angle.

Tony Sparano
On the safety’s help on the big plays “Well, on one of them, we took a bad angle…not a great angle, which was on the Wes (Welker) play…we try to go after the ball there and that was not just a great angle on that particular play… all that being said, you know, that wasn’t his man.”

He did not at any point in the game single handedly give up big chunks of yards like Vontae, Bess or Carrol. Could he have helped? Yes. Considering his play outside of those 2 plays, and his help in the run game, chasing down other DBs assingnments, he hardly was the weakest link Monday night.

Exactly... when your safety is leading your defense with double digit tackles almost in the teens, there's a complete fail starting at the line of scrimmage and the front 7 in general.


I don't agree with any of these people that Clemons brings an upgrade. The only thing he upgrades is experience. He definitely doesn't upgrade the potential playmaking ability of the unit.... nor would Chris ****ing Clemons of all people have stopped Tom Brady from putting on a clinic.

Clemons "steadiness" or whatever in the hell people want to call it is a bunch of hogwash.... his barely-averageness isn't worth not finding out if Reshad Jones can play or not. There's absolutely zero upside to playing Clemons.

 

[MarshallLaw81]

Isn't this the story with every impactful position player we have: talented, plays hard just needs to maximize his potential,,, etc etc. it seems every year theres a hole we fill with one of those "hopefully this year will be his year/ alex smith" type guys. how about immedate impact players. thats what the teams that are winning have. Bellicheck pluged in a rookie LT in that threw Cam all over the place. he had two rookie TEs that paid immedate dividends for him last yr. and tonight. where are these players on our team. lets stop masqurading average players around waiting for that breakout game they will hopefully have one day and work on uncovering and developing real talent.

Reshad Jones was a fifth round pick and I personally think it was a great pick. Its not like hes been around for 5 years after being drafted in the first round(a la Jason Allen). The LT that they plugged in was a first round pick and would have started anyway. We have a rookie C that also held his own.

"Immediate impact players" don't grow on trees. Reshad Jones was our best tackler last night. That shows something wrong with the line and LBs. He did take a chance and get burned on the 99 yarder, but at that point the D had to be aggressive to try and force a turnover. Brady simply caught him. At least he took the chance and isn't afraid to make a play. But we should quit "masqurading" such an average player that is in his second year and just cut him in favor of someone with 4.3 speed.

 

[GRYPHONK]

Exactly... when your safety is leading your defense with double digit tackles almost in the teens, there's a complete fail starting at the line of scrimmage and the front 7 in general.


I don't agree with any of these people that Clemons brings an upgrade. The only thing he upgrades is experience. He definitely doesn't upgrade the potential playmaking ability of the unit.... nor would Chris ****ing Clemons of all people have stopped Tom Brady from putting on a clinic.

Clemons "steadiness" or whatever in the hell people want to call it is a bunch of hogwash.... his barely-averageness isn't worth not finding out if Reshad Jones can play or not. There's absolutely zero upside to playing Clemons.

I pretty much agree with this.

I mean if after 4 games or so Jones is still not getting it and still out of position more times the not, then I would agree that Clemons is the better option. But not after 1 game and only his 2nd start. He needs time.

Bad angles can be taught and corrected through experience. Getting burned consistantly like Vontae apparently cannot.

I am not trying to say Vontae is bad or anything. But he has been getting burned since day 1 atleast once a game. At some point we need to stop blaming pass rush and safety help and realize Vontae is an all or nothing guy. Which isn't a bad thing if he actually provided more game changing plays.

I always saw him as an early years Terrel Buckley. He would dominate 1 game and wow everyone. Then get smoked the next 3 games, but people would just remember the 1 game. Then of course, he would have another game.

Buckly later in his career became the man, which I am hoping Davis does to. Because the guy can be an elite corner. Right now he is just an average CB who shows flashes of brilliance.

Which is why I will take a Sean Smith right now. The guy doesn't flash, doesn't make game changing plays. However, it took an injury or cramps for someone to actually get a solid gain on him the other day. He doesn't hurt the defense unless he gets mismatched against a speedster, unlike Davis right now who would probably let Ocho Cinco beat him deep if he was on him all day atleast 1 time

 

[hoops]

at free safety i'll take a 4.5 guy with ball skills and instincts over a 4.37 guy who lacks both all day every day

and with that i'm done talkin pats...we got destroyed...we all know it...on to the texans where matt schaub doesn't scare me near as much as brady although he's still pretty darn good but the texans running game scares me much more than the pats one did...so...could be another long day

 

[Nappy Roots]

I was watching Reshad Jones carefully tonight because I think if he maximizes his potential (an if) he can provide an element to this Dolphins defense that they need to go from a mediocre team to a winning team. His first two drives were somewhat rough, like everyone else on defense he wasn't in the position that he should be and he was playing more tentative than he should. Obviously the whole defense sucked those two drives as Brady did not even throw an incomplete pass. But as the game went on, Jones was about the only guy on defense who did anything positive besides Wake and Odrick. Not only did he make that play at the goaline, which kept the game a two score game, but he was about the only sure tackler on the entire defense, including the linebackers. Jones laid the wood on a numbe
r of big hits, and when numerous Dolp
hins were whiffing on the Pats runners, allowing them to turn what should have been losses into chain movers, Jones was the only guy who stopped the running game. He lead the team in tackles with 8.

There were a lot of things I couldn't see to give an entirely accurate assessment of how he did in pass coverage. I'd have to see film I don't have access to tonight. But he was one of the few I saw any positives from, and I think too many people on here will be quick label the secondary's failures on him because he was the one big change from last year's secondary that some hold in high regard. Nobody could cover their man tonight, not even Davis and Smith.

I think Jones played pretty bad, but i guess im one of the few that thinks he at least played better then Bell.. I thought he was awful.

I'd be interested in hearing other opinions from people who might have seen things I couldn't.[/QUOTE]

 

[Kdawg954]

I think Jones played pretty bad, but i guess im one of the few that thinks he at least played better then Bell.. I thought he was awful.

I'd be interested in hearing other opinions from people who might have seen things I couldn't.

You saw what I saw. Jones played bad, Bell played bad. Put Jones in for Bell and bring Clemmons back at FS. I'm not saying Jones can't eventually play FS, but right now, with these high power offenses the Fins face early in the year, it may prove wiser to have the more seasoned guy in there . . . a guy who like it or not, did his job last year and didn't make the mental mistakes we saw last night.