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He messed up a few times but god it was nice to see someone actually you know, tackling people. He needs to give the whole damn defense a lesson on tackling.
Don't kill me...but I don't think Reshad Jones was terrible
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If you watch the replay of Welker's td Jones missed tipping that pass by an inch or two. I actually thought he might have gotten it, it was that close. Down by 14 with 7 min left, I'm glad he went for the pick, would have been sweet. Also almost had one on our goal line .
I'd be really down for starting him at SS. In that scenario, our D would add a playmaker in the secondary without sacrificing the solid play Clemons brings to the FS position. I know Bell is a leader and has been a good player, but it's been years since he's been a very good player.
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He took poor angles, and got himself in poor position to cover the deep routes. We need to put Clemons in as soon as he's ready, and keep jones as a reserve, and eventually he can replace Bell, who also is not great in coverage.
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On the Vontae burn he F-ed up....on the 99 yarder he saw it coming and went for the big play, but took the wrong angle so I agree with you. On many other plays he looked like he was tentitive and reactive...what do you expect from your first NFL start. Hopefully that aggression will continue with growing expereince
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We (and Tony) can't afford to wait for his OJT. He is too slow for the NFL, but was a good college safety. Don't send a kid with a pop gun to a war. Get Clemons back in there.
He played bad enough for me to want Clemmons back in there. Clemmons has much more ability in recovery than Jones, he is more disciplined and he is a pretty damn good tackler in his own right.
The move for Jones to SS seems like a more obvious decision. Maybe the FO is getting his feet wet in coverage so we can eventually transistion him over there.
The move for Jones to SS seems like a more obvious decision. Maybe the FO is getting his feet wet in coverage so we can eventually transistion him over there.
No, Jones didn't play as bad as some are saying.
It's just many want to scapegoat guys rather the Vontae/Wake/ Burnett. I mean, after all, they could never play bad and even if they do it's ok because they are veterans and bounce back.
So rather then picking on guys who played bad but shouldn't have, we will focus on the young safety who played his first start who you would EXPECT to be the weak link.
I love how people blame him on Davis getting burned. Yes Jones should have helped. Yes, he didn't back Davis up. But how is that an excuse for Vontae just flat out getting BURNED many times that night? Doesn't matter if he should have had help, he blew the play just as bad as Jones.
I have no problem with Jones gambling and losing, unlike Wake/Davis/etc.... Atleast Jones made an attempt to do something.
Bad game? Absolutely.. Weak link? Not even close. His game was just as bad as most, but look to Sapp and Caroll for the weak links.
It's just many want to scapegoat guys rather the Vontae/Wake/ Burnett. I mean, after all, they could never play bad and even if they do it's ok because they are veterans and bounce back.
So rather then picking on guys who played bad but shouldn't have, we will focus on the young safety who played his first start who you would EXPECT to be the weak link.
I love how people blame him on Davis getting burned. Yes Jones should have helped. Yes, he didn't back Davis up. But how is that an excuse for Vontae just flat out getting BURNED many times that night? Doesn't matter if he should have had help, he blew the play just as bad as Jones.
I have no problem with Jones gambling and losing, unlike Wake/Davis/etc.... Atleast Jones made an attempt to do something.
Bad game? Absolutely.. Weak link? Not even close. His game was just as bad as most, but look to Sapp and Caroll for the weak links.
Wake busted his balls out there man, just because he didn't get 5 sacks don't say he didn't "make an attempt". He played harder than anybody on that field. Alot of holding and a solid performance by Solder doesn't mean Wake didn't play hard. That is nonsense.
Jones can absolutely be blamed if he was supposed to support Davis over the top. He is very undisciplined right now. He wants to stop the run and doesn't have the speed to recover when he bites on the fake. I like the kid, I just don't think "right now" he is the better option at FS.
Let alone the fact that the kid takes bad angles and has always taken bad angles and yea its a problem.
Well I guess I mistyped with my implication. I didn't mean to suggest Jones goes without blame what I meant was Davis doesn't go without blame and both are equally responsible. Jones missed his assignment but that doesn't excuse Davis getting burned.
My whole point was people are scapegoating Jones. You say Wake played with heart and determination. I won't deny that. But Wake never adjusted. He used the same move all night and was dominated by a rookie in his first start. We wanna use holding as an excuse of course.
Excuses are very common for popular players who people like. The whole defense stunk. But some want to scapegoat certain people yet make EXCUSES for guys like Wake and Davis.
Why not admit it? Wake regardless of your opinion made no IMPACT whatsoever on that game. He was irrelevant and a non-factor. How can you say he played harder then the guy who led the team in tackles (Jones) I am pretty sure Jones never gave up and tried hard.
But you are correct. For me to imply Wake didn't attempt to do anything was wrong
How is taking a bad angle any different then using the same move over and over to try and beat a rookie Tackle?
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You're way off here wax-off.... Reshad Jones has 4.5 speed... that's plenty. Do you have any idea how many safeties are playing in the NFL with 4.5 speed?
Hell, the Bills have one of the best young one's in the league in Jairus Byrd who has 4.7 speed. T.J. Ward is another good young safety starting for the Browns who can barely break the 4.6 barrier. The problem with Jones is that he's inexperienced and playing out of position. Not to mention the cornerbacks who are constantly touted around here are as overrated as anything, it's just that nobody wants to admit it.
If speed had any substantial bearing on it, guys like Taylor Mays and John Wendling would be starting safeties in the NFL.
The best safeties that have ever played this game range anywhere from 4.6 to the 4.8 range.
Miami can absolutely afford to wait on his OJB, they're doing it with Sparano now. Not to mention Henne and Pouncey... and they've done with a slew of others who were afforded the same benefit.
I saw a bull rush, I saw him speed rush, I saw him use a few moves . . . he and Randy Starks were the only 2 people really forcing Brady to move some in the pocket.
Wake to me didnt have his best game, maybe bad by his standards, but far from poor or lacking effort. He is proven. Nobody is scapegoating Jones, the biggest battle in the preseason was at FS between Clemmons/Jones and we saw a steady secondary last year with Clemmons assisting with getting guys lined up correctly and really not making the mistakes we saw from Jones on Monday. If Clemmons is healthy, I don't see why we shouldn't switch them out.
Who else are we going to switch out on this defense? Do you wanna start Carroll because Davis got burned once or twice? Should be bring up Frank Kearse because Soliai didn't make enough of an impact. Maybe we can start Spitler and Mitchell because Dansby and Burnett didn't play good games. How about benching Wake and seeing what Trusnick brings at OLB. Jones is getting scrutiny because there is a potential upgrade in Clemmons on the bench (if healthy) and you can't say that about any other position on the field. It's not scapegoating the guy but 500+ yards is pathetic and we can use as much help as possible in the secondary.
Jones tackled well, its gonna get overlooked when you have a bad game in coverage, and Jones had a bad game in coverage. I'm all for taking Bell out and putting Jones at SS right now . . . Bell has been slipping for the last few years and Jones skillset screams SS. If the Fins wanna experiment that is where they should have done it.
So do you think we shouldn't keep it in perspective?
How many starts has Clemmons had? Did he get it done? We needed an upgrade at that position. He had plenty chances.
Jones has had 1 start.
We need to keep it in perspective. You don't stop playing a guy because of 1 game, unless you have seen him play for years.
We saw Clemmons for 16 games last year . . . and yes I do think Jones brings more of a "ballhawk" element to the secondary but I can't be sold on him being an upgrade right now. Clemmons wasn't bad, you ask me, he got the job done last year, especially compared to 2009. Being the starting FS on the 6th ranked defense is being a part of getting the job done.
Sure an upgrade at FS would be nice, hell after that game we could use an upgrade at alot of positions. I just think we have a better option in Clemmons right now. That's all. I can't say that about many other positions on the team.
Sure an upgrade at FS would be nice, hell after that game we could use an upgrade at alot of positions. I just think we have a better option in Clemmons right now. That's all. I can't say that about many other positions on the team.