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i know this has been like #1 discussion here but i jsut finished watching much tape on both these guys and:

i still think Dorsey does not use his hands well at all. he over powers college line-man, and relies way too much on his speed. without creating seperation with his hands and arms, NFL line-man are gonna stand him up against the run and push him back (mind you Dorsey isnt the biggest man or strongest)

Ellis uses his hands extremely well, extending for seperation then ripping around or throwing off the shoulder. he is in the back field more often than dorsey, (who slides down the line very well), ellis can split double teams by doing all this too, which he has done as Dorsey once again relies on spin moves or speed to do so, (he applied pressure but didnt get to the QB in these cases)

they both are very good... fast, quick, strong for their size, good tacklers.

well back to the film... Long time!!!!!!
 
I would take either one of them.

they will both be good.

I like trevor laws too though, in later rounds if it works out. He will be a damn good player as well.

I don't know... I saw dorsey do some unbelievable crap in some games this year.
 
I am Bane said:
i know this has been like #1 discussion here but i jsut finished watching much tape on both these guys and:

i still think Dorsey does not use his hands well at all. he over powers college line-man, and relies way too much on his speed. without creating seperation with his hands and arms, NFL line-man are gonna stand him up against the run and push him back (mind you Dorsey isnt the biggest man or strongest)

Ellis uses his hands extremely well, extending for seperation then ripping around or throwing off the shoulder. he is in the back field more often than dorsey, (who slides down the line very well), ellis can split double teams by doing all this too, which he has done as Dorsey once again relies on spin moves or speed to do so, (he applied pressure but didnt get to the QB in these cases)

they both are very good... fast, quick, strong for their size, good tacklers.

well back to the film... Long time!!!!!!
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I really have no idea where to begin. You clearly haven't seen Dorsey.
 
I am Bane said:
i know this has been like #1 discussion here but i jsut finished watching much tape on both these guys and:

i still think Dorsey does not use his hands well at all. he over powers college line-man, and relies way too much on his speed. without creating seperation with his hands and arms, NFL line-man are gonna stand him up against the run and push him back (mind you Dorsey isnt the biggest man or strongest)

Ellis uses his hands extremely well, extending for seperation then ripping around or throwing off the shoulder. he is in the back field more often than dorsey, (who slides down the line very well), ellis can split double teams by doing all this too, which he has done as Dorsey once again relies on spin moves or speed to do so, (he applied pressure but didnt get to the QB in these cases)

they both are very good... fast, quick, strong for their size, good tacklers.

well back to the film... Long time!!!!!!
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Curious, what yr was Dorsey, and which games(also Dorsey)?
 
If he's been watching tape on Dorsey and doesn't think he uses his hands well, then I can only assume he's talking about Ken Dorsey.
 
2413fanphins said:
I would take either one of them.

they will both be good.

I like trevor laws too though, in later rounds if it works out. He will be a damn good player as well.

I don't know... I saw dorsey do some unbelievable crap in some games this year.
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Yea i would take eather one Also but i think i would prefer Gleen Dorsey
 
Dorsey doesnt use his hands to create seperation or extend the arms... he uses speed, and his shoulders of going right off the line

his speed, explosions and quickness has allowed him to beat palyers though.... i jsut wish he used his hands more
 
just to make it clear too: i just giving my thoughts here... i dont care which we pick (Long too basically).... jsut as long we get one and he comes in playing his gludius maximus off to help this team out!!!!!
 
Dorsey does not use his hands well? Huh? Are we talking about Glenn Dorsey? From LSU?

And did you say Ellis uses his hands well? Huh? Standing straight up and sticking your arms out against the defender does not mean you are using your hands well. It simply means you have lost your leverage.
 
Ghetti13 said:
Dorsey does not use his hands well? Huh? Are we talking about Glenn Dorsey? From LSU?

And did you say Ellis uses his hands well? Huh? Standing straight up and sticking your arms out against the defender does not mean you are using your hands well. It simply means you have lost your leverage.
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nope... firing low and popping the lineman backwards, gaining control which way you want to go, thats called getting leverage with the extension.


i done with this convo.... nobody likes me :(


i think Long would be best for us anywhoos.... forget both these guys, lol
 
I am Bane said:
nope... firing low and popping the lineman backwards, gaining control which way you want to go, thats called getting leverage with the extension.


i done with this convo.... nobody likes me :(


i think Long would be best for us anywhoos.... forget both these guys, lol
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i dont think its about not liking you, i think its just your not watching the film correctly or dont quite have the understanding of techniques like CK, KB, and Boomer have.
 
I am Bane said:
nope... firing low and popping the lineman backwards, gaining control which way you want to go, thats called getting leverage with the extension.


i done with this convo.... nobody likes me :(


i think Long would be best for us anywhoos.... forget both these guys, lol
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Dude, it's not that people don't like you, I just don't think you're seeing what you think you're seeing.

;)
 
Boomer said:
I really have no idea where to begin. You clearly haven't seen Dorsey.
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Well, it's not as if he's the only one concerned about Dorsey's technique in defending the run. Let me quote from Drew Boylhart:

"His tackling techniques are very sloppy and college level RB’s are running by him because of his tendency to lunge and not wrap-up in tackling."

"His techniques are very sloppy and he is on the ground a lot."

"I actually like Glenn as a potential DE in a 3-4 defense more than I do as a DT in a 4-3. In a 1-gap attack defense like the Bears use, I would think that Glenn would impact right away until Offensive coordinators realize how bad his techniques are."

"If he shoots a gap, you can run draws by him really easy because he just does not wrap up very well."

Now, I don't necessarily agree with Drew Boylhart each and every time, but he does watch film and usually makes valid points. I think he's a bit too critical with Dorsey here, but after watching some film myself, I'm not that high on him either. The main reason being that I think Dorsey has terrific talent but - and that's where I agree with Drew - relies on talent more than he relies on technique. I think he'll eventually become at the very least a good player at the next level, but I also think he's in for a rude awakening in his first year. All things considered, I suspect that Chris Long or even Ellis would make more of an impact right away.

And now you can have at me ;)
 
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