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KC Joyner did a pretty nice job of breaking down the performances of Asante Samuel and Randall Gay at ESPN yesterday. Now unfortunately, I saw quite a bit of the Pats this past season and whilst I thought Samuel had a decent year - not great, as stated in my 'Buyer Beware: Asante Samuel' thread - I thought Gay really regressed. But the numbers say something entirely different. Samuel's 41.3 success percentage - the percentage of plays a player does something successful with the ball - and 7.4 YPA last season were both steps back from his 2006 totals in those categories (7.0 YPA and 48.8 success percentage). His six interceptions were also down from 2006, when he posted career high of 10, and three of his 2007 picks came against backup quarterbacks.

According to Joyner, Gay had a superb 5.8 YPA last season and allowed zero completions on the seven vertical passes thrown his way. He also looked at Marcus Trufant's numbers, which showed that of the 103 balls thrown his way, 55 were completed, with 4 scores, 6 picks and a 6.4 YPA. But that completion percentage is 53.4 which is relatively high. Half the balls thrown at Trufant were completed. Now, without the benefit of having all the stats, it's hard to work out where that would stand in terms of the elite NFL corners, but it would be nice to break it down against the figures for Nnamdi Asomugha, Leigh Bodden, Rashean Mathis, Ike Taylor, Quentin Jammer, etc. To my mind - and I may well be wrong - that number sits a little high for me. Perhaps Fineas might know?

Anyway, enough rambling. I thought I'd take a look at the top 10 cornerbacks in the draft and see how they worked out last season in this statistical category. For me at the moment they would be:

1. Leodis McKelvin
2. Antoine Cason
3. Mike Jenkins
4. Dominique Rodgers Cromartie
5. Terrell Thomas
6. Tracy Porter
7. Justin King
8. Aqib Talib
9. Dwight Lowery
10. Reggie Smith (although I think Reggie Smith is ultimitely better suited to playing safety, given his abilities in run support and his ball skills against his lack of timed speed).

Unfortunately, it's a bit of an inexact science as I don't have the final numbers for Talib and King. I thought about using King's sophomore season scores, but essentially that's cheating and he had a stronger season in 2006 than in 2007, although as he says himself, his season was a lot better than people gave him credit for. But when I get his and Talib's numbers, I'll add them.

Looking at the figures, what stands out immediately for me is that Cason and Terrell Thomas excel in yards per reception against them and those two again stood out when it comes to allowing completions when the ball comes in their direction. Now, these figures need to come with a grain of salt because you're relying on the accuracy of the QB that's throwing the passes. But you could make the argument that the coverage was so tight that the QB HAD to take evasive or in this case, inaccurate action. Thomas' score of under 30% is very, very strong whilst Cason's is similary hugely impressive. It's a great thing to say that 'so and so hardly got thrown on', but actually you can do a pretty good job of breaking it down when you look at the percentages. Based on this and the way I feel about him anyway and have done for 2 seasons, if he can eliminate any doubts in my mind on his timed speed with a good time next week in Indianapolis, I might be inclined to put Antoine Cason up at number 1 on my CB board. I don't think he'll be the #1 CB drafted, but I think he's going to be very good. And whilst every day we say "he'd be great at pick 32", you have to feel strongly and similarly about Cason.

What also stands out for me is that Reggie Smith has to be looked upon as a viable candidate for Miami. A strong safety who moved to CB, his numbers are very impressive indeed. He didn't give up a touchdown all season and as a four year starter in high school at SS, who was a Freshman All American at the spot and played a further 9 games at SS as a sophomore. He's 6-1 and 198lbs, with room to grow and is a very good ST player, as well as being a good kid.

Anyway, here's the numbers:
Leodis McKelvin - Troy:
Had 70 passes targeted into his territory, as the opposition caught 34 of those tosses (48.57%) for 407 yards (11.97-yard average per completion/5.81-yard average per attempt), no touchdowns and eleven first downs, as he prevented the receivers from getting to 25 throws while breaking up eleven others (nine deflections/two picks)

Antoine Cason - Arizona:
Cason deflected a team-high fourteen passes. with five interceptions. Of the 73 passes targeted to his area, the opposition caught 23 (31.5%) for 258 yards (11.2 avg), two touchdowns and twelve first downs (held the opposition to 3.53 yards per pass attempt).

Mike Jenkins - South Florida:
Had 68 passes targeted into his area, as the opposition caught 28 of those throws (41.18%) for 348 yards (12.43 avg) and three touchdowns…Defended fifteen passes and prevented his main pass coverage assignment from getting to 25 other tosses.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - Tennessee State:
Deflected eleven passes and intercepted two others. Of the sixty passes targeted into his area, he held the opposition to 22 receptions (36.67%) for 262 yards (11.91 avg per completion), three touchdowns and an average of 4.37 yards per pass attempt.

Terrell Thomas - USC:
Thomas deflected seven passes four interception returns (11.0 avg). He had 57 passes targeted into his area, holding the opposition to seventeen catches for 149 yards (8.76 yards per catch) and one touchdown. Only 29.82% of those throws were caught and he allowed just 2.61 yards per pass attempt

Tracy Porter - Indiana:
Porter made six interceptions and deflected four passes. Opponents caught 53 of 91 passes (58.24%) targeted into Porter's territory, good for 679 yards (12.81-yard average per completion/7.46-yard average per attempt) and five touchdowns.

Justin King - Penn State: Numbers not available.

Aqib Talib - Kansas: Numbers not available.

Dwight Lowery - San Jose State:
Dwight deflected seven passes and ranked tied for second in the conference with four interceptions. He had 60 passes targeted into his area, as the opposition caught 23 of those throws (38.33%) for a total of 404 yards (15.54 avg) and a pair of touchdowns.

Reggie Smith - Oklahoma:
Reggie had 3 interceptions whilst deflecting eleven passes. The opposition completed just 21-of-60 passes targeted into his area (35.0%) for 231 yards (11.0 yards per completion/3.85 yards per pass attempt), as he allowed no touchdowns all season and held his main pass coverage assignment to no catches in the North Texas and Miami contests.
 
i really like Aqib Talib, Antoine Cason, Leodis McKelvin, and Dominique Rodgers Cromartie i woul love to pick up any one of these four guys in the 2nd round
 
Well unless we're playing cover 2, Talib isn't coming. McKelvin will likely go in the top 10.
 
Hey Boomer.... Im a closet follower of yours when it comes to your draft posts. I find it interesting that you rate Cason 2nd over all on your list. I have seen him as low as the tenth best CB in some other ratings.

Personally, I think Cason is going to be the best CB to come out of this draft. I live on the west coast and got to see him play a bit. He consistantly shutdown the receiver he was assigned to cover. If you have access to it take a look at the Cal tapes. He totally shutdown DeShaun Jackson, it was almost comical to watch.
 
BTW, I really dont care for Porter... He gives up on plays too frequently for my taste.
 
Great post Boomer. I saw a little bit of the CB's from LSU who are coming out, I kind of like them, too. What about that S from Michigan? Curious- to me it looks like all signs point to drafting an OT at #32 (despite my pro JLong status)- especially given the release of ZThomas, do you think that we take a Quentin Groves, Erin Henderson or DB (safety or CB) that slips or do we dive into the cookie jar and go OT? Maybe free agency solves the problem (Flozell Adams, etc.) but there's a long way from #32 to #57, I hope that we dont miss the boat on that fine crop of OT's. I read your earlier comments about Cherilius, Collins, etc, thx- the question in my mind is do we strike or not while we can at #32.

If we miss that first wave, what do you think of Nicks and Benedict? At this point I would think that it's questionable that Nicks slides to the end of the 2nd rd. Cheers.

p.s. I finally got HBO- I'll be able to watch that show "The Wire" that you wrote about if they're still running episodes.
 
KC Joyner did a pretty nice job of breaking down the performances of Asante Samuel and Randall Gay at ESPN yesterday. Now unfortunately, I saw quite a bit of the Pats this past season and whilst I thought Samuel had a decent year - not great, as stated in my 'Buyer Beware: Asante Samuel' thread - I thought Gay really regressed. But the numbers say something entirely different. Samuel's 41.3 success percentage - the percentage of plays a player does something successful with the ball - and 7.4 YPA last season were both steps back from his 2006 totals in those categories (7.0 YPA and 48.8 success percentage). His six interceptions were also down from 2006, when he posted career high of 10, and three of his 2007 picks came against backup quarterbacks.

According to Joyner, Gay had a superb 5.8 YPA last season and allowed zero completions on the seven vertical passes thrown his way. He also looked at Marcus Trufant's numbers, which showed that of the 103 balls thrown his way, 55 were completed, with 4 scores, 6 picks and a 6.4 YPA. But that completion percentage is 53.4 which is relatively high. Half the balls thrown at Trufant were completed. Now, without the benefit of having all the stats, it's hard to work out where that would stand in terms of the elite NFL corners, but it would be nice to break it down against the figures for Nnamdi Asomugha, Leigh Bodden, Rashean Mathis, Ike Taylor, Quentin Jammer, etc. To my mind - and I may well be wrong - that number sits a little high for me. Perhaps Fineas might know?

Anyway, enough rambling. I thought I'd take a look at the top 10 cornerbacks in the draft and see how they worked out last season in this statistical category. For me at the moment they would be:

1. Leodis McKelvin
2. Antoine Cason
3. Mike Jenkins
4. Dominique Rodgers Cromartie
5. Terrell Thomas
6. Tracy Porter
7. Justin King
8. Aqib Talib
9. Dwight Lowery
10. Reggie Smith (although I think Reggie Smith is ultimitely better suited to playing safety, given his abilities in run support and his ball skills against his lack of timed speed).

Unfortunately, it's a bit of an inexact science as I don't have the final numbers for Talib and King. I thought about using King's sophomore season scores, but essentially that's cheating and he had a stronger season in 2006 than in 2007, although as he says himself, his season was a lot better than people gave him credit for. But when I get his and Talib's numbers, I'll add them.

Looking at the figures, what stands out immediately for me is that Cason and Terrell Thomas excel in yards per reception against them and those two again stood out when it comes to allowing completions when the ball comes in their direction. Now, these figures need to come with a grain of salt because you're relying on the accuracy of the QB that's throwing the passes. But you could make the argument that the coverage was so tight that the QB HAD to take evasive or in this case, inaccurate action. Thomas' score of under 30% is very, very strong whilst Cason's is similary hugely impressive. It's a great thing to say that 'so and so hardly got thrown on', but actually you can do a pretty good job of breaking it down when you look at the percentages. Based on this and the way I feel about him anyway and have done for 2 seasons, if he can eliminate any doubts in my mind on his timed speed with a good time next week in Indianapolis, I might be inclined to put Antoine Cason up at number 1 on my CB board. I don't think he'll be the #1 CB drafted, but I think he's going to be very good. And whilst every day we say "he'd be great at pick 32", you have to feel strongly and similarly about Cason.

What also stands out for me is that Reggie Smith has to be looked upon as a viable candidate for Miami. A strong safety who moved to CB, his numbers are very impressive indeed. He didn't give up a touchdown all season and as a four year starter in high school at SS, who was a Freshman All American at the spot and played a further 9 games at SS as a sophomore. He's 6-1 and 198lbs, with room to grow and is a very good ST player, as well as being a good kid.

Anyway, here's the numbers:
Leodis McKelvin - Troy:
Had 70 passes targeted into his territory, as the opposition caught 34 of those tosses (48.57%) for 407 yards (11.97-yard average per completion/5.81-yard average per attempt), no touchdowns and eleven first downs, as he prevented the receivers from getting to 25 throws while breaking up eleven others (nine deflections/two picks)

Antoine Cason - Arizona:
Cason deflected a team-high fourteen passes. with five interceptions. Of the 73 passes targeted to his area, the opposition caught 23 (31.5%) for 258 yards (11.2 avg), two touchdowns and twelve first downs (held the opposition to 3.53 yards per pass attempt).

Mike Jenkins - South Florida:
Had 68 passes targeted into his area, as the opposition caught 28 of those throws (41.18%) for 348 yards (12.43 avg) and three touchdowns…Defended fifteen passes and prevented his main pass coverage assignment from getting to 25 other tosses.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - Tennessee State:
Deflected eleven passes and intercepted two others. Of the sixty passes targeted into his area, he held the opposition to 22 receptions (36.67%) for 262 yards (11.91 avg per completion), three touchdowns and an average of 4.37 yards per pass attempt.

Terrell Thomas - USC:
Thomas deflected seven passes four interception returns (11.0 avg). He had 57 passes targeted into his area, holding the opposition to seventeen catches for 149 yards (8.76 yards per catch) and one touchdown. Only 29.82% of those throws were caught and he allowed just 2.61 yards per pass attempt

Tracy Porter - Indiana:
Porter made six interceptions and deflected four passes. Opponents caught 53 of 91 passes (58.24%) targeted into Porter's territory, good for 679 yards (12.81-yard average per completion/7.46-yard average per attempt) and five touchdowns.

Justin King - Penn State: Numbers not available.

Aqib Talib - Kansas: Numbers not available.

Dwight Lowery - San Jose State:
Dwight deflected seven passes and ranked tied for second in the conference with four interceptions. He had 60 passes targeted into his area, as the opposition caught 23 of those throws (38.33%) for a total of 404 yards (15.54 avg) and a pair of touchdowns.

Reggie Smith - Oklahoma:
Reggie had 3 interceptions whilst deflecting eleven passes. The opposition completed just 21-of-60 passes targeted into his area (35.0%) for 231 yards (11.0 yards per completion/3.85 yards per pass attempt), as he allowed no touchdowns all season and held his main pass coverage assignment to no catches in the North Texas and Miami contests.

YOu can't look at it that way, you have to look at the level of competition and who they went up against. Stats dont always do justice. Miami ranked high in Pass yards allowed does that mean the CB were good? no it was b/c teams ran down our throat n didnt bother to pass as often.

Gay was the 3rd back and to compare him to Samuels is ludacris regarding those numbers. Cromartie for instance played at a small school compared to the other ones so what justice do those stats do compared to cason or king for example? Its good info but nothign to build much on I think. I think stats are looked at rarely by the head hanchos of teams cuz its game tape and how u perform during a game and where you stand and what you do that says how good you are. For instance look how good Will Allen played but had what 1 Int? If he had at lest 6 I'm sure pplw oudl be calling him a shut down corner at one point but his problem is he can't catch but he still gest the job done.
 
p.s. What about the CB from Wisconsin who popped his knee at the Senior Bowl? Given Antonio Cromartie's post ACL success, maybe this guy is work a pick in rds 6-7, maybe higher. I haven't seen him play, but apparently he's pretty darn good.
 
anyone want to give a 7th round pick on Jack Ikegwuonu, CB Wisconson. Torn something in his knee at senior bowl practice but was a 2nd round talent before that. probably will miss 2008 season but could be a low risk (7th) high reward guy? he is a very talented guy
 
anyone want to give a 7th round pick on Jack Ikegwuonu, CB Wisconson. Torn something in his knee at senior bowl practice but was a 2nd round talent before that. probably will miss 2008 season but could be a low risk (7th) high reward guy? he is a very talented guy

Ikegwuonu tore his ACL working out at Perfect Competition's training facility in Davie, FL not at the Senior Bowl.

As a junior, he was not eligible to play in the Senior Bowl.
 
Does KC Joyner split his stats? Too often when a game is no longer in doubt(see most Pats games - blow out) I've seen defenses give up and conversely offenses make dumb mistake trying to make a "big play".

Anybody know?
 
Does KC Joyner split his stats? Too often when a game is no longer in doubt(see most Pats games - blow out) I've seen defenses give up and conversely offenses make dumb mistake trying to make a "big play".

Anybody know?

thats why i believe its a pointless stat.
 
Talib and Cason are high on my list. Talib was one of the best corners I have seen in college in sometime. I was blown away by some of the things he can do. Not saying he will be amazing in the NFL but I'm saying he was great in college.
 
Boomer , what about Charles Godfrey?

Scrub, unknown or what?

And what is the burning need at CB, we cannot stop Vergas from gaining 150 yds in half against us, and CB is big need?

And are there any Safeties worth our time this year?
 
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