Draft Coverage Market Research (please vote)

[Boomer]

Well then I apologise for my tone.

 

[Maynard the Hammer]

Well then I apologise for my tone.

i could have been a bit nicer too. :D

 

[MNFINFAN]

I would do the chat, more for the camaraderie rather than the knowledge, cause I really don't know enough to care for any of the other options. However I think that the knowledge that you three put out is awesome and you deserve to be rewarded for it in monetarily. Quite frankly your track record from the last few drafts put you ahead of the Kipers of the word who flip flop back and forth each week for the popular opinion.

 

[themole]

I can't speak for Boomer and CK on this, but I can give you my opinion on the three quarterbacks you mentioned.

Jay Cutler is my #1 rated quarterback, period. One thing that has prepared him better for the league than either Matt Leinart or Vince Young is the fact that Jay has been hit, and he has been hit a lot. Yet, he still made plays and single handedly made Vanderbilt a respectable team this past season with a near victory over Florida and a victory over Tennessee. Jay Cutler has the arm strength that I look for in a quarterback. His arm is very powerful. He puts a lot of velocity on his passes, and he can make all the stick throws. He's also very nimble on his feet within the pocket, and when he has to, he can gain positive yards with his legs. Many don't like his gunslinger mentality, but I think it is a plus. Yeah, he's going to commit some turnovers in the NFL because he has a lot of confidence in his arm, but he's also going to make a lot of big plays. There is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken in this draft, but some people are going to look at the fact that he played a Vanderbilt and downgrade him simply because of that.

I really have serious questions about Matt Leinart's arm strength. I think he has a great head on his shoulders, shows excellent field vision, and is a master of the touch pass. However, based on what I've seen, the touch pass is the majority of his passes. In the NFL, you can't float the 10 yard out to the receiver with an NFL caliber cornerback in coverage. I have not consistently seen the ability to load up and drill the stick throws from Matt Leinart. I think he will do fine on the downfield throws, because he is accurate and has great touch. I seriously question his ability to throw the deep out patterns though. Also, Matt played in a pro style offense, so mentally and technically he is prepared for the NFL. However, he's not going to have the advantage he had at USC when it comes to having superior talent around him relative to the team he is playing.

I do not like Vince Young at all. I see a guy that is very sloppy in his technique, has no readability skills in the pocket, and simply looks to take off and run whenever he gets the chance. It's going to take a lot of work and patience for this guy to ever be able to play quarterback at the NFL level. Mentally, he simply doesn't have it. Physically, he could be a good quarterback if he would allow a coach to change his mechanics. I think Vince Young is nothing the the product of intense media hype at this point, because I have seen very little substance when I evaluate him as a quarterback. He's a great athlete, but he is a below average quarterback prospect. Due to his athleticism, I'd draft him in the first round as a project wide receiver, but I wouldn't touch this guy till the second day of the draft as a quarterback. This guy is going to get a head coach fired in the NFL.

Omar Jacobs is a guy that I do like though. Omar has horrible mechanics, but they work for him. He's got a powerful and accurate arm, moves around well in the pocket, and most importantly, is a passer. In fact, Omar is a player that avoids running with the ball like it was the plague. He can do it if he absolutely has to, but he'd much rather throw a 15 yard pass than make a 10 yard run. I think that is the type of mentality you have to have to play quarterback in the NFL. As far as his mechanics go, he kind of pushes the ball, but he showed at the combine that it works for him. He threw the ball down the field with a lot of accuracy in the passing drills. I don't like the offense he was in at Bowling Green though, and I do not feel that offense has prepared him for the NFL. Omar is a project that could pay off big down the road. I think he is a third round pick that will need a couple of years of coaching, but he will be a good one down the road. I thin he's a guy that many will look back upon in three years and say "Wow, that guy was a steal."

I like Brodie Croyle as far as his passing skills go. As a pure passer, I'd rate him as the third best prospect in this draft. I can't get over his lack of size though. He's a shade under 6'3" and about 205 lbs, but he is extremely thin in his build. I'm not sure he will be able to gain much more weight at the NFL level, and given his injury history, his lack of size is a definite red flag. However, Brodie has a very strong arm and a very good head on his shoulders. He's a leader, pure and simple, and he has the type of attitude that you never count out. If there is a player that can overcome size limitations, it is Brodie Croyle.

KB, I'm curious as to your opinion of Charles Sharon, WR from Bowling Green. He's one of my hometown boys and is of solid charactor. He had a very good career at BG but how will that translate to the NFL if at all?

 

[KB21]

KB, I'm curious as to your opinion of Charles Sharon, WR from Bowling Green. He's one of my hometown boys and is of solid charactor. He had a very good career at BG but how will that translate to the NFL if at all?

I've got to be honest. When I watched Bowling Green this season, I concentrated on Omar Jacobs. Charles Sharon didn't jump out at me, so I really can't say anything about him. This is one of those situations where I'd have to take a look at Omar's games again, and watch Sharon instead.

 

[phinfan77]

I would be interested in paying for some of the draft coverage you give. The "ask boomer" thread is always a favorite of mine to read. I would like to know: does finheaven get a portion of the money, or is this a seperate venture for the three of you?

also-- have you thought of doing a printed copy of the dolphins draft itself?
Just a few pictures, some stats and your three's opinion of the players strenghs and weaknesses. Hell, i would like that for the 20005 draft as well.

 

[saves]

KB, I'm curious as to your opinion of Charles Sharon, WR from Bowling Green. He's one of my hometown boys and is of solid charactor. He had a very good career at BG but how will that translate to the NFL if at all?

I'll help you out here KB. Sharon has been an dynamic return man for the falcons as well as their best deep recieving threat. He and fellow reciever Steve Sanders shattered BG recieving records.

He plays fast, but won't give you a blazing 40 time. He has a knack for making the big play, but on the flip side drops more than he should.

He dropped a for sure walk in TD against Wisconsin early in the year that I believe could have won BG the game, and if that happened we wouldn't be talking about Omar in the 3rd round, the success of the team would have vaulted him much higher.

There are a few big knocks on him as a prospect though.
Size-6' 180 is good if your a burner, but he dosn't have high end speed.
Measurables-4.68 and 4.59 isn't what I expected out of him. Even more dissapointing was a 31 inch vert, I thought jumping would be his strength.
Hands- Too many drops for my liking.
System- His numbers were definatly inflated by a very WR friendly system


I think he grades out the be a possible late round pick but more than likely a UFA. He could stick with a team as a 4 or 5 option at WR is he can show improvement in his hands. His teammate Sanders is a better prospect on account of size and better measurables.

I always though Sharon played like a poor mans Chambers for BG though. He leaves big shoes to fill in terms of production.

 

[rasta1966]

I would be interested in for sure 1 and 3, have you thought however of offering all products for one discounted price paid in January. Not that the prices you listed are not very good but you know everyone looks for a deal. The cheap *** bast**ds that we are lol

 

[sportzz13]

what do you guys think about Brandon Marshall from UCF?

 

[themole]

I'll help you out here KB. Sharon has been an dynamic return man for the falcons as well as their best deep recieving threat. He and fellow reciever Steve Sanders shattered BG recieving records.

He plays fast, but won't give you a blazing 40 time. He has a knack for making the big play, but on the flip side drops more than he should.

He dropped a for sure walk in TD against Wisconsin early in the year that I believe could have won BG the game, and if that happened we wouldn't be talking about Omar in the 3rd round, the success of the team would have vaulted him much higher.

There are a few big knocks on him as a prospect though.
Size-6' 180 is good if your a burner, but he dosn't have high end speed.
Measurables-4.68 and 4.59 isn't what I expected out of him. Even more dissapointing was a 31 inch vert, I thought jumping would be his strength.
Hands- Too many drops for my liking.
System- His numbers were definatly inflated by a very WR friendly system


I think he grades out the be a possible late round pick but more than likely a UFA. He could stick with a team as a 4 or 5 option at WR is he can show improvement in his hands. His teammate Sanders is a better prospect on account of size and better measurables.

Thanks for the info Saves. If you are up to speed on all draft prospects, I have three more homeboys I'm interested in. The Coley twins from Southern Miss. and Darcy Johnson UCF. Speed might be a issue with them also.

Honestly, I thought Charles had more speed than that.

 

[ryoung8918]

First, Boom, CK, KB, I have great respect for your obvious knowledge of football, draft and the Dolphins. If I paid for any football news, you'd have a service I'd consider. I just don't like the trend of paying for news and analysis. I pretty much spend no time on ESPN.com anymore because there is almost no information available to non-"insiders". (their pay service) I can see where you'd have a nice service for Dolphin fans.

I would have liked a poll choice like, "While I respect your knowledge and right to profit from it, I am not interested in paying for such a service." Good luck in your endeavors and stop by the "zoo" from time to time.:)

 

[saves]

Thanks for the info Saves. If you are up to speed on all draft prospects, I have three more homeboys I'm interested in. The Coley twins from Southern Miss. and Darcy Johnson UCF. Speed might be a issue with them also.

Honestly, I thought Charles had more speed than that.

You'll have to wait for a visit from one of the main men to get more information on those guys, I guess you could say I'm a Ohio Schools specialist in regards to draft prospects.

And honestly, I thought he did too. He plays alot faster than that, and was a hell of a deep threat for Omar and was an exciting guy to see return a punt. Hopefully he gets a good fair shot somewhere.

 

[Paul 13]

Curious what your thoughts are on Ingle Martin, QB from Furman, thanks!

Back to the topic at hand... while I do like the idea of having Dolphins only draft coverage, I'm not sure about how many would be willing to pay for it. There are many ways fans can research info on players before and after the draft, if they have their heart set on finding such information.

 

[big0mar]

how do you guys get a hold of all the video you guys watch???

 

[ckparrothead]

I would be interested in paying for some of the draft coverage you give. The "ask boomer" thread is always a favorite of mine to read. I would like to know: does finheaven get a portion of the money, or is this a seperate venture for the three of you?

also-- have you thought of doing a printed copy of the dolphins draft itself?
Just a few pictures, some stats and your three's opinion of the players strenghs and weaknesses. Hell, i would like that for the 20005 draft as well.

Thank you for your input!

I think that would actually have to be a product we consider offering, now that you've brought it up. Or maybe it would be something that we odd on to one of the existing products or services, in order to sweeten the deal and entice more people to buy from us.

Inevitably with printing costs as they are, a lot of stuff that we know about players is going to be condensed a bit in the draft guide itself because we need to fit commentary in there for about 200 players or something like that. No doubt when the Dolphins pick their guys, Dolphin fans will want something a little more in-depth.

So, we could do something like, if you pay for all 3 months of the email newsletter, you get a special post-draft newsletter with detailed information on all of the Dolphins' draft picks.

A printed thing might not be a great option, just because of printing and binding costs. The Draft Guide is feasible because we can offer it for about $20 or $30 (remember, the original idea was the Draft Guide would cost $20 to people who are already subscribers to the email, $30 to those that do not subscribe). But doing a whole separate print job for the Miami Draft Evaluation might not be so feasible just because we'd want to sell that for only about $5 or $10...and it might cost that much just to print it.