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Draft Tua at 5 or trade the pick?

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I am on record for trading down. Solidify the trenches, where games are really won. We could still take Herbert, Love, or Hurts. Eason and Fromm suck imo. I see QBs not named Tua or Burrow falling down the board further than expected. The tackles will go very quickly. This is a complete rebuild. We are still a couple years away. Of course this depends on some team wanting to trade up. Best case is multiple teams wanting that pick.
 
It's a great question and a tough one to answer. Tua's talent is amazing. Would fans be happy with Tua if he played 5-7 years and the team won one super bowl? Realistically, the injuries are adding up and I doubt he has a long NFL career. You'd have to draft a quality backup.

If the team traded down and got picks #9 and #20 Miami likely solves the LT spot with either Thomas or Willis at #9. The quarterback options are probably Hurts, Eason and Fromm later in the draft. Love could potentially make it to #18.
 
IF Tua is one the board at 5 I am taking him.

He is a gamble but the payoff could be great.

I think it is much less likely that Herbert or Love turn into Super Bowl type QB's.

I would not trade more to move up for him though, that would be too high a price to pay on a gamble.

This Draft should be about finding the QB you are going to ride with and then adding pieces to help him thrive. OL and weapons on thee offensive side.A speed WR, a RB or 2, hell I would love to add a 2 way TE to pair with Gesicki.

I'd like a S and would not pass on quality DL but this should be an offensive draft.
 
Games are really won at the QB position. Need to take one until we get it right.

If the “right” QB needs the best OL in the league, not sure how good he really is
 
This is a tough question for me. If you are risk adverse and don't want Tua, do we have to trade the pick?
I agree with Jimthefin that it's about finding a young QB to ride with and putting him the best environment to succeed. I also want an offence heavy draft in the first 2 rounds.
To me there are 3 possible scenarios in play here, depending upon where we draft QB. Looking for feedback on which one you like best. These will offence only drafts

1st Scenario
5. QB = Tua
18. WR = Justin Jefferson.
26. OT = Austin Jackson
39. RB = Swift or Dobbins
56. G = Robert Hunt
70. C = Tyler Biadasz

2nd Scenario
5. OT = Wills or Wirfs
18. QB = Love
26. IOL = Cesar Ruiz
39. RB = Swift or Dobbins
56. WR = Tee Higgins
70. OT = Matt Peart

3rd Scenario
5. OT = Wills or Wirfs
18. WR = Jefferson
26. IOL = Ruiz
39. QB = Eason or Hurts
56. RB = Taylor or Edwards - Helaire
70. RB = AJ Dillon

My final thoughts are if we pass on Tua and Herbert at 5, does anyone know how Chan Gailey and our new QB coach view the drop off from Love to Eason and Hurts. If it's close, you may see scenario 3 come into effect. I expect that Jefferson gets passed over for an edge rusher like Gross - Matos or Chaisson when this things goes off for real.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
The pervasive chess piece mentality is far more damaging in the long term than swinging and missing on an injured quarterback
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This assumes there is only one QB. There are others to take a swing upon.
 
Trade down, pick one of Andrew Thomas and Derrick Brown pick one out of Javon Kinlaw and Josh Jones to complement respectively.

Top 10- Andrew Thomas
#18 Javon Kinlaw
#26 D'Andre Swift

or

Top 10- Derrick Brown
#18 Josh Jones
#26 D'Andre Swift

I'd rather the first.
 
Kebo said:
I am on record for trading down. Solidify the trenches, where games are really won. We could still take Herbert, Love, or Hurts. Eason and Fromm suck imo. I see QBs not named Tua or Burrow falling down the board further than expected. The tackles will go very quickly. This is a complete rebuild. We are still a couple years away. Of course this depends on some team wanting to trade up. Best case is multiple teams wanting that pick.
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When Oregon played UW, Eason actually outplayed Herbert. If Eason had stayed in college, I think he'd be rated higher than Herbert is now. And I think he's better than Tannehill when RT came out. And I think he can be had in the second round. All of the QBs are likely going to struggle this year because of the limited mini camps and such...but I think with a dedicated QB coach and year of looking at film, JE can be very good. No injury concerns of Tua, no passion concerns of Herbert. He just needs to play more football and to sit and watch a guy like Fitz.
 
jdleddy said:
This is a tough question for me. If you are risk adverse and don't want Tua, do we have to trade the pick?
I agree with Jimthefin that it's about finding a young QB to ride with and putting him the best environment to succeed. I also want an offence heavy draft in the first 2 rounds.
To me there are 3 possible scenarios in play here, depending upon where we draft QB. Looking for feedback on which one you like best. These will offence only drafts

1st Scenario
5. QB = Tua
18. WR = Justin Jefferson.
26. OT = Austin Jackson
39. RB = Swift or Dobbins
56. G = Robert Hunt
70. C = Tyler Biadasz

2nd Scenario
5. OT = Wills or Wirfs
18. QB = Love
26. IOL = Cesar Ruiz
39. RB = Swift or Dobbins
56. WR = Tee Higgins
70. OT = Matt Peart

3rd Scenario
5. OT = Wills or Wirfs
18. WR = Jefferson
26. IOL = Ruiz
39. QB = Eason or Hurts
56. RB = Taylor or Edwards - Helaire
70. RB = AJ Dillon

My final thoughts are if we pass on Tua and Herbert at 5, does anyone know how Chan Gailey and our new QB coach view the drop off from Love to Eason and Hurts. If it's close, you may see scenario 3 come into effect. I expect that Jefferson gets passed over for an edge rusher like Gross - Matos or Chaisson when this things goes off for real.
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1- They are not drafting Jefferson at #18. He is not in the Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs talent level. They are not wasting a pick at 18 on a 2nd tier WR.
2- Swift and maybe JK will not be available at #39. Taylor/ Edwards-Helaire will not be available at 56.
3- Austin Jackson is not a 1st round talent so they wont waste picking him.

Ruiz is definately in play at #26 but that is where Swift needs to be picked if they want him.
 
Dobbins might be there at 39 but Swift will be gone.

Edwards-Helaire might be there at 56 too.

I like Ruiz at 26 over Swift.
 
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