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Draftnik Perceptions of the Dolphins' Draft

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The explosion in interest in the draft is understandable. Draftniks and fans alike have allowed for a cottage industry to take root. However, with so many people following the draft, this leads to false advance impressions in people's minds such that they inevitably get disappointed and even frustrated when they are surprised time and again at the draft.

It is striking that so many of the draftniks covering the Dolphins got so frustrated: Big O, Omar Kelly, Toddie McShay, Mel Kiper, Jr., CK Parrothead, "Boomer," et al. Big O reportedly was having temper tantrums. But this common link got me thinking. They all built up expectations based on their study, and then when the draft didn't pan out exactly how they thought, they were frustrated and/or disappointed.

Don't get me wrong, I think following the draft is fascinating. But draftniks are just that; not professionals. They do not know with a professional eye what the Dolphins are looking for. Mike Mayock tends to be the best, but he is a former player and actually could work in a front office unlike the others. So, I would submit that we as fans should study the names of the players for what that endeavor is, and then see how the draft unfolds with some level of knowledge. But that is it.

Draftniks study the names of players and Google names to see who met with the Dolphins, etc. I find such discussion worthwhile. But draftnik's do not know what the Dolphins' brass is thinking or seeking. We know that as a fact because Ireland noted that his staff has confidentiality requirements. Agents may speak with the press about what they hear, but without knowledge of the Dolphins' thinking, draftnik babbling is no more than conjecture. And when Big O and Omar et al. freak out after the fact, it is nothing more than poor conjecture biting them.

McShay is the absolute worst of the lot. He is so out of tune with what the Dolphins actually think and look for in "makeup" that it is an absolute joke. He embarrases himself and ESPN. But ESPN is falling apart anyway, and I absolutely prefer Mayock and Charles Davis on NLFN.

As for the Dolphins, after two years of drafts, it is clear that the Dolphins pick players based on conviction. They don't mind grabbing a kid like Nalbone a tad early to make sure they get the kid. While a draftnik may amateurishly whine that does not take into account "value," they couldn't be more mistaken. The Dolphins want players and make sure they get the player. Last year, the Dolphins were criticized for taking Langford early. But they got their man and who cares if he was a "value draft pick." What is more important is that he is a "value player." And they picked up a slew of kids, with toughness and the makeup they want, all the way to Bess and Carpenter. You put it together and synergy forms.

This year, the Dolphins picked up Patrick Turner, a fluid 6'5 kid with loads of talent but who underachieved in college. But he had 10 TD's last season for the best program in the country. And did I mention that he is 6'5 and talented? McShay said there were 10 receivers available who he likes better. That is an asinine comment and shows his buffoonery. The Dolphins wanted a player that fits their need and they got their man. Why the heck would Miami want Iglesias over Turner? Same thing with Nalbone. The Dolphins wanted their guy. Accept it. The Dolphins have conviction on players and do not approach it like a cheapskate at a flea market trying to buy cheap.

It does you no good to draft for value if you get a roster of good value picks that are not the kids you want or don't fit your system. C'mon, there is no such thing as winning a "draft bowl." The Dolphins want players that fit their scheme and have the makeup they want. Eventually, you get a roster of players who fit that profile, and you put together a winning team. That's where it really matters.

Now the draft is a crapshoot to some extent, and Parcells and Ireland know that. So they doubled up on corners and receivers to increase their odds, just like they doubled up on defensive ends last year.

Something tells me that Ireland and Parcells would agree with this post 100%.
 
The explosion in interest in the draft is understandable. Draftniks and fans alike have allowed for a cottage industry to take root. However, with so many people following the draft, this leads to false advance impressions in people's minds such that they inevitably get disappointed and even frustrated when they are surprised time and again at the draft.

It is striking that so many of the draftniks covering the Dolphins got so frustrated: Big O, Omar Kelly, Toddie McShay, Mel Kiper, Jr., CK Parrothead, "Boomer," et al. Big O reportedly was having temper tantrums. But this common link got me thinking. They all built up expectations based on their study, and then when the draft didn't pan out exactly how they thought, they were frustrated and/or disappointed.

Don't get me wrong, I think following the draft is fascinating. But draftniks are just that; not professionals. They do not know with a professional eye what the Dolphins are looking for. Mike Mayock tends to be the best, but he is a former player and actually could work in a front office unlike the others. So, I would submit that we as fans should study the names of the players for what that endeavor is, and then see how the draft unfolds with some level of knowledge. But that is it.

Draftniks study the names of players and Google names to see who met with the Dolphins, etc. I find such discussion worthwhile. But draftnik's do not know what the Dolphins' brass is thinking or seeking. We know that as a fact because Ireland noted that his staff has confidentiality requirements. Agents may speak with the press about what they hear, but without knowledge of the Dolphins' thinking, draftnik babbling is no more than conjecture. And when Big O and Omar et al. freak out after the fact, it is nothing more than poor conjecture biting them.

McShay is the absolute worst of the lot. He is so out of tune with what the Dolphins actually think and look for in "makeup" that it is an absolute joke. He embarrases himself and ESPN. But ESPN is falling apart anyway, and I absolutely prefer Mayock and Charles Davis on NLFN.

As for the Dolphins, after two years of drafts, it is clear that the Dolphins pick players based on conviction. They don't mind grabbing a kid like Nalbone a tad early to make sure they get the kid. While a draftnik may amateurishly whine that does not take into account "value," they couldn't be more mistaken. The Dolphins want players and make sure they get the player. Last year, the Dolphins were criticized for taking Langford early. But they got their man and who cares if he was a "value draft pick." What is more important is that he is a "value player." And they picked up a slew of kids, with toughness and the makeup they want, all the way to Bess and Carpenter. You put it together and synergy forms.

This year, the Dolphins picked up Patrick Turner, a fluid 6'5 kid with loads of talent but who underachieved in college. But he had 10 TD's last season for the best program in the country. And did I mention that he is 6'5 and talented? McShay said there were 10 receivers available who he likes better. That is an asinine comment and shows his buffoonery. The Dolphins wanted a player that fits their need and they got their man. Why the heck would Miami want Iglesias over Turner? Same thing with Nalbone. The Dolphins wanted their guy. Accept it. The Dolphins have conviction on players and do not approach it like a cheapskate at a flea market trying to buy cheap.

It does you no good to draft for value if you get a roster of good value picks that are not the kids you want or don't fit your system. C'mon, there is no such thing as winning a "draft bowl." The Dolphins want players that fit their scheme and have the makeup they want. Eventually, you get a roster of players who fit that profile, and you put together a winning team. That's where it really matters.

Now the draft is a crapshoot to some extent, and Parcells and Ireland know that. So they doubled up on corners and receivers to increase their odds, just like they doubled up on defensive ends last year.

Something tells me that Ireland and Parcells would agree with this post 100%.

Great post....however,you will not convinced some people on this board that the FO knows more than they do.....the funny thing is that we have 3 or 4 posters on this site that think they know it all and a lot of people that will just follow those 3 or 4 guys and accept everything they type.....if those guys say we had a great draft then a lot of people will agree witht hem but if they say our draft was horrible then the same people will agree with that too.Me,I like to wait and see.....you can't posibly know if a player was a good or bad pick on draft day till they at least play a few games in the NFL......but it will never change....like you said,they buy into what they read or the mocks they see and if it doesn't go that way then they think Bill,Jeff and Tony are just idiots and don't know what they're doing.

Ozzy rules!!
 
I couldn't agree more. The FO targeted players that fit OUR systems we run on offense and defense. Who cares what draftniks say as most of them don't even know what truly lies within our system needs and what the FO looks for in players that fit the system.

Terrell Owens was drafted 90th overall in the draft. Witten was 3rd rounder. Marion Barber a 4th rounder. Colston drafted late in the draft. Curtis Martin in the 3rd. James Harrison, Willie Parker and Antonio Gates weren't even drafted but were UDFA's. And I can name a thousand more.

What did those draftniks say about all of them ? If we could know how they would turn out, and if every one of those players were young again and we could go back in time, every single one of them would be first rounders this year.

So again, what do those draftniks have to say about that ?
 
Couldn't have said it better myself. How many times have we seen these so called draft experts go on and on about a certain team having a great draft because they supposedly stole some guy late in the draft, but you look at their draft three years later and almost every one of their picks turned out to be busts. Parcells is great at finding guys with a certain football mindset. Guys that are tough and do the little things necessary to win games. That is what the whole theme of this draft looks like to me. Versatile tough guys that will run through a brick wall to win games.
 
It never ceases to amaze how people get so emotionally involved in the sports team they follow and put this immense amount of time and energy into trying to analyze their team's every action.

Its an amateur draft. If more than half the kids selected pan out and make it more than five years in the NFL it'll be impressive. If half the kids you invested so many hours in watching and promoting ever amount to anything it'll be a miracle.
 
i couldn't agree more, but it's really stressing to ignore where the dolphins are heading (especially with the pat white and wildcat thing)

that's my main concern, and i know and agree about the ''they have a plan'' thing ... but when did parcells or ireland drafted a guy like white, and had a package like the wildcat before ? they might know what they want to do, but even them have no idea what the result will be, because they have no blueprint of past experiences that succeeded from that standpoint.

on the defensive side, i fully have confidence in what they're doing (even if they didn't get a pass rusher or NT, there's a reasoning behind that and this FO knows how to build a defence so don't doubt them, they've done it before they'll do it again)
 
Excellent post and you used one of my favorite words...."buffoonery"

Seriously, nice job!
 
Now the draft is a crapshoot to some extent, and Parcells and Ireland know that. So they doubled up on corners and receivers to increase their odds, just like they doubled up on defensive ends last year.

Agreed. Note:
Going into camp it is better to have young talent to compete against each other, illustrating who is the real man for the job. Not only them, competition brings out the best in everyone in that position. So I feel like Bess, Camarillo, and Ginn [maybe London] are also going to excel.
 
Excellent post.. and more confirmation that the phrase "I trust the wisdom of our FO) for most of us is neither an unthinking cop-out nor a manifestation of "blind sheep syndrome." After restructuring the team in 12 months and accomplishing what we have, the fact of the matter is that they more often than not "do know better,"
 
Something tells me that Ireland and Parcells would agree with this post 100%.

Well you deserve agreement at least for your screen name! :up:

lol. Anyone name Austin Tatious has my attention even if he sucks at prognostication... which you don't, lol.

thanks.

LD
 
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