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Well, what do you think? When i'm looking at this draft I see very few possibilities to move down and think drafting J. long will be what we do. Don't have a problem with that, it should be a productive, well needed choice. But I also see that the Tuna may have a dream draft opportunity that could be very realistic.

It's my belief that due to the Vick ordeal that Altlanta really needs Matt Ryan in this draft so that they are not put in a situation when Vick gets out of jail that the fan base pressures them to retain him due to no hope at the qb position. there are teams that need a qb as well as the phins that could scare them into trading up for the 1st pick. I mean why risk it when you could get it for the #3 pick and the second rounder. I see it as a good possibility, wouldn't bet on it but a good possibility.

Now with the phins at #3 and Jones wanting Mcfadden (but not for #1 money) I could see him trading his two 1st rounders to get him at #3 giving us 2 1st rounders, 3 second rdrs and the 1st in rnd 3.

trade JT to the vikings and we are now doing some serious damage to rebuilding a new young team.

Ganted this is a deam senerio for us but everything does seem to fall in place for a real possiblity. With no altanta trade I don't see any of it happening, but I hope it does. We have so many holes to fill and really belive we need to make a big run a wr's in the late 1st round / early second round. Would be nice to get 2 promising wr's to team with Ginn and the new we signed to tighting up the offensive weapons in the passing game. We have so many other holes to fill at ol, mlb, dl, te, s etc we need as many picks as we can get.

Come on almighty Tuna. :hi5:
 
Jerry said he does not want Mcfadden with the top 6 picks .Do you think if you are jerry you would do this trade to get mcfadden or throw a first rounder and 2 nd in 09 to the bengals and give the same contract to chad johnson?.

bengals would jump and he will have a good option. He is bargaining with Titans for a 5th for pacman and is not moving to a 4th yet he is going to give all his picks away ? right.

The new GM who got hired in atlanta is the directory of scouting of patriots for a few years.You think he will break from the last few years experience of taking top DL in draft in NE and break his 6 yrs of habit ? .seymour,ty warran,vince wilfork all his scouting dept first round grade.yet he will do some thing drastic and get ryan ...right
 
It could happen, but it will be hard enough to just get Atlanta to trade. There is no denying that ATlant covets Ryan and Jones covets McFadden.

My whole regard is this. I believe both trade downs are possible if we dont get greedy. People say "Well teams no we can be had and try to hussle us later"
I say let them try. For example, let's say that Atlanta offers us their 3rd rounder to move up. Sure we SHOULD get more, however, that would give us 2 picks of the first 5 in the 3rd round. Both could be potential starters and who knows, maybe Flacco or Henne slip. Maybe even a WR falls.

So I see it this way, there are 3 guys we are targetting. Both Longs and Ryan. Gholston is an outside shot. Obviously 1 will be available at #3. Even if all we get is a 3rd we would still get Jake Long and a great draft prospect and potential starter for us. So it would be poductive, even though we could have gotten more, we still got the guy we "maybe" wanted at a lower price plus an extra potential starter.

If we decide to trade with Dallas after that, no need to get greedy. Take the 2 1sts and call it a day. Maybe try to get Carpenter out of them.

Once again, we wouldn't be getting equal vakue, but in the end we would turn the #1 overall pick into 3 potential starters, rather then having a 50/50 chance at our rookie being a bust or success.

Now assuming we can't trade down an option is to go ahead and take Ryan and force Atlanta's hand. If they don't give us what we want, hey we still fill a need area. Once again if we do intend on drafting a QB early why not get the best?

My personal choice, is if we stay at #1 to draft Jake Long.
 
Plagiarism.... I said the same thing a week ago.. Amazing...
 
Say we trade JT and get a 2nd and 6th...
Trade with Alanta our #1 for thier #1 3rd pick overall and a 2 of thier 3 second round picks this year.

Alanta picks Matt Ryan
St.Louis Jake Long
Trade with the Cowboys #3 pick overall for both thier 1st and thier 2nd. They still far alittle short in the pick value chart so maybe a late round pick as well http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm

So who would you take having picks

#22
#28
#32
#37
#48
#57
#58
#60
All day 1 picks then we would have 3rd - 7th rounds also.

Doubt it happens this way but ya never know.
So have some fun with it.
 
Nobody wants to trade into the top 5. Smokescreen or not, I'm pretty sure Jones said as much himself this past week. It's expensive to trade up for a top 5 pick both financially for the contract and in picks/players needed to equal the value to balance out the deal. If Parcells can pull that off then congrats to you guys, it will have to be a hell of a deal.
 
We will trade down in this draft but not out of the #1. The trades will come later in the second round, pick 2b, to be percise. I see us staying with #1 and #32, after that, it's let's make a deal.
 
Since it is nearly impossible to trade the 1st overall pick, you take the safest and most versatile pick... Jake Long. No matter if he plays LT or RT, he'll be a stud for a long time given his physical gifts and his drive and competitiveness. And while people say that it's too much money for a RT, it's too much money for any position, period. And until they change the rookie's pay scale, I'd rather pay that much money for a tackle then for a OLB, unless he's the next Lawrence Taylor.

Now, I called Jake Long the most versatile pick not because he can play multiple positions, but because he allows us to trade any pick after that. The 1st pick of each round, especially the 2nd and 3rd rounds, will be in high demand from player's slipping, and we can gather multiple picks in a deep draft. Since we only have 3 starting OL, and a total of about 3 tackles on the roster, OT is the most important position of need.

I understand that it's a deep year for OT, but taking one with the 1st pick allows us not to hope a good quality OT is available later, and allow us to trade down

We need to overhaul this roster, and it starts with this draft
 
CJGoCanes said:
Since it is nearly impossible to trade the 1st overall pick, you take the safest and most versatile pick... Jake Long. No matter if he plays LT or RT, he'll be a stud for a long time given his physical gifts and his drive and competitiveness. And while people say that it's too much money for a RT, it's too much money for any position, period. And until they change the rookie's pay scale, I'd rather pay that much money for a tackle then for a OLB, unless he's the next Lawrence Taylor.

Now, I called Jake Long the most versatile pick not because he can play multiple positions, but because he allows us to trade any pick after that. The 1st pick of each round, especially the 2nd and 3rd rounds, will be in high demand from player's slipping, and we can gather multiple picks in a deep draft. Since we only have 3 starting OL, and a total of about 3 tackles on the roster, OT is the most important position of need.

I understand that it's a deep year for OT, but taking one with the 1st pick allows us not to hope a good quality OT is available later, and allow us to trade down

We need to overhaul this roster, and it starts with this draft
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Its not even about trading the next couple picks . . . because you might see a first round talent like Cason drop to that 32 pick we have, and we desperately need a young CB.

It's about NOT forcing OT on us with that pick, because we already got it out of the way with Long. I think Long will be a great LT in this league and a HOF RT in this league . . . he just has that kind of ability in the running game and in pass protection. His selection just takes care of the biggest hole on the entire team.

We don't necessarily need a overhaul per say . . . remember, we have alot of young players FINALLY on this team . . . many of them play in the front 7 . . . where many people on this site want to go with that first pick. We still have guys like Rod Wright, Abe Wright, Quentin moses, Matt Roth, Chaning Crowder, Paul Solai, Jason Allen . . . all of these guys still very young on defense, but very talented . . . we just don't have that young CB on defense.

I completely agree about the money though . . . either way u look at it . . .we will overpay for someone with that first pick . . . might as well be the safest pick . . . that also fills the biggest hole on the team . . . and will NOT be considered a reach because he is ranked top 5 by almost everybody.
 
Kdawg954 said:
Its not even about trading the next couple picks . . . because you might see a first round talent like Cason drop to that 32 pick we have, and we desperately need a young CB.

It's about NOT forcing OT on us with that pick, because we already got it out of the way with Long. I think Long will be a great LT in this league and a HOF RT in this league . . . he just has that kind of ability in the running game and in pass protection. His selection just takes care of the biggest hole on the entire team.

We don't necessarily need a overhaul per say . . . remember, we have alot of young players FINALLY on this team . . . many of them play in the front 7 . . . where many people on this site want to go with that first pick. We still have guys like Rod Wright, Abe Wright, Quentin moses, Matt Roth, Chaning Crowder, Paul Solai, Jason Allen . . . all of these guys still very young on defense, but very talented . . . we just don't have that young CB on defense.

I completely agree about the money though . . . either way u look at it . . .we will overpay for someone with that first pick . . . might as well be the safest pick . . . that also fills the biggest hole on the team . . . and will NOT be considered a reach because he is ranked top 5 by almost everybody.
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We're on the same page, good thoughts
 
I'm totally behind picking Jake Long at #1. It really makes a huge difference right away. Bigtime impact game 1, day 1. The whole offense goes up a notch with Jake. It helps the running game, give Beck a little time to throw and it gives the recievers that extre fraction of a second needed to run their routes. We still have Jason Taylor to fill the role that Chris Long would fill, who's stepping in to do what Jake Long will do. Nobody!!! I hope the FO sees the urgency of grabbing this key element for the offense. We've screwed around with o-line for long enough. We have to pull the trigger and bring in some bigtime players. Fanaca went to the Jets, we better get Long! I don't see much choice. Chris Long is a luxury pick.1-15 teams don't have any luxury.
 
I don't understand this obsession with trading down to Atlanta. Dimitroff just came from an organization that found their franchise QB with a 6th round compensatory pick. Even if he wants Ryan, he knows a) Parcells isn't going to select him and b) The Rams aren't going to select him. He also knows that if by some chance Parcells gets a brain fart and writes down Matt Ryan on the card, he can still get Glenn Dorsey or Chris Long at pick #3. That team has so many needs and holes, they can stand pat at #3 and get someone who's going to fill an instant need, and need all of those second rounders to do so.
 
Yeah, I'd love to stockpile draft picks this year, IMHO, it's the perfect year to do so because there's a lot of depth at positions we really need in this draft, like CB, OL and TE. Those positions usually take a while to be productive, and there's a lot of talented prospects to be had in rounds 2-4 there. Obviously, round 1 guys are expected to be starters fairly soon for a team like ours.

The real problem we face is the lack of a rookie pay scale. The salary constraints of the top 10 picks, and in particular the top overall pick, really are outlandish. The draft is designed to help the best teams, but in a way it's starting to handicap them by forcing them to spend a large chunk of their salary cap on a guy who may not be ready for the NFL quite yet, and who hasn't even proven that he ever will be a productive player. In this age of free agency, even when they get a great players it's hard to keep them all. If there were a rookie pay scale then we'd be able to trade down out of the top pick and do quite well.

But yeah, if we can trade down out of the top overall pick, that'll be a good thing. This drafts first round is very deep in CB's and LT's ... hey, we need a franchise LT and probably 2-3 CB's, so more picks is a good thing! Sure, Chris Long or Vernon Gholston are wicked good pass rushers, but grabbing Jeff Otah and Quentin Groves might be better than any single player we could draft at #1 overall. I'm actually a big proponent of trading down the #1 overall pick. But honestly, I'm not in favor of trading down with any of our other picks as rounds 2-4 have a lot of players who can help us get better quickly.
 
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