Drew Brees-to-Josh Hill among 10 rising pitch-and-catch combos

[Fin Fan in Cali]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...osh-hill-among-10-rising-pitchandcatch-combos

[h=3]Miami Dolphins: Ryan Tannehill to Kenny Stills[/h] There's little doubt first-round pick DeVante Parker will occupy the top spot in the Dolphins' aerial attack, but Stills could carve out a key role as a designated home-run hitter. Stills thrived in a similar role during his two years with the Saints, amassing 11 receptions of 40-plus yards and posting a spectacular average of 16.5 yards per catch on 95 receptions. Although Tannehill is prone to conservative play from the pocket, the young QB must find a way to maximize Stills' talents as an accomplished downfield playmaker.

 

[TheWalrus]

Barring injury, I'll be surprised if any Dolphins receiver has more than 800 yards this year.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Barring injury, I'll be surprised if any Dolphins receiver has more than 800 yards this year.

I think Landry will probably do it. Sounds like they want to use him on more diverse routes this year, which means that he could pull more yardage per target even if he gets fewer targets.

 

[TheWalrus]

I think Landry will probably do it. Sounds like they want to use him on more diverse routes this year, which means that he could pull more yardage per target even if he gets fewer targets.

They might try that, but it'll backfire imo. When you have a Wes Welker, use him that way and don't apologize for it. Throwing between the hashes is always what Tannehill is going to like best so why get too cute by half and put your best inside receiver outside the numbers? I mean, if I see DeVante Parker inside and Jarvis Landry outside even once this year I'm mailing poop to Joe Philbin's house.

 

[TheWalrus]

I mean, at some point it becomes about targets and resources. Tannehill had 4045 passing yards last year. But 867 yards of that went to Dion Sims and the running backs. If he throws for the same number of yards this year, that would leave 3,178 yards to distribute among Landry, Parker, Stills, Jennings and Cameron. That's an average of 635 yards per guy. So if anyone is going to clear 800 yards by any significant margin it's either going to take an injury or at least one guy spending a significant amount of time on the bench.

 

[hoops]

they're gonna use guys inside and outside all over the place it sounds like...tight ends too cameron especially...good luck projecting numbers when it's musical chairs

that said i dont agree with the tannehill wants to throw all the time inside the hashes...not when he's so good timing wise and accuracy outside of them to date on anything not a straight vertical

they do want to do more damage down the seams so i suspect we will see more slot routes taking it vertical this year and of course now that we have a legit size and athlete mismatch down the seam in jordan cameron i'd expect those chunk yardage plays to pick up...especially if we can catch the opposition by formation and scheme with a lb carrying coverage

 

[Phinatic8u]

I mean, at some point it becomes about targets and resources. Tannehill had 4045 passing yards last year. But 867 yards of that went to Dion Sims and the running backs. If he throws for the same number of yards this year, that would leave 3,178 yards to distribute among Landry, Parker, Stills, Jennings and Cameron. That's an average of 635 yards per guy. So if anyone is going to clear 800 yards by any significant margin it's either going to take an injury or at least one guy spending a significant amount of time on the bench.

Jennings won't get a lot of PT once Parker comes back.

 

[nick1]

I would have picked Tannehill to Landry not Stills as the #1 combo. Landry is going to get a ton of targets more then Stills I'm sure of that

 

[TheWalrus]

they're gonna use guys inside and outside all over the place it sounds like...tight ends too cameron especially...good luck projecting numbers when it's musical chairs

that said i dont agree with the tannehill wants to throw all the time inside the hashes...not when he's so good timing wise and accuracy outside of them to date on anything not a straight vertical

It's by far his favorite place to throw. Which is one of the things that makes him similar style-wise to another well known quarterback in our division :D.

Matching up your scheme to the talent/preference of the quarterback means stacking that part of the field with your best inside players, not getting cute for absolutely no reason at all. "Disguise" isn't an end unto itself. Make the defense stop you from doing what you do best. If they do, then you adjust. Preemptively shifting guys all over the place for the purpose of disguise is Coyle level thinking. Why should the opposition try to outscheme you if you're just going to do them the favor of outscheming yourself?

 

[hoops]

It's by far his favorite place to throw. Which is one of the things that makes him similar style-wise to another well known quarterback in our division :D.

Matching up your scheme to the talent/preference of the quarterback means stacking that part of the field with your best inside players, not getting cute for absolutely no reason at all. "Disguise" isn't an end unto itself. Make the defense stop you from doing what you do best. If they do, then you adjust. Preemptively shifting guys all over the place for the purpose of "disguise" is Coyle level thinking. Why should the opposition try to outscheme you if you're going to do them the favor of outscheming yourself?

maybe i'm just off but weren't all those stop routes to wallace outside the hashes and those comebacks to hartline the same??? just cause miami was limited with those two wrs as to what they could do and played to their strengths with the route calls with some of themi dont think that i have seen any evidence of limitations with the qb to date worth debating other than the very deep vertical accuracy

i think it's just as much about playing to the skill positions and offenses strengths as it is the qbs and i think now that wallace and his very small catch radius and never working back to the ball is gone some of those vertical concerns with the qb will be alleviated

i know i expect him to bang more people down the seam now that we got a legit size speed and athlete seam threat tight end...

but i'm also of the opinion through 3 years of tannehill tape study that there isn't anything he can't do as a qb...i don't buy the 'system qb" stuff with him at all...the limitations this offense has had aren't qb based they are personnel based around the qb (short of normal needs time and reps qb development)

 

[TheWalrus]

maybe i'm just off but weren't all those stop routes to wallace outside the hashes and those comebacks to hartline the same??? just cause miami was limited with those two wrs as to what they could do and played to their strengths with the route calls with some of themi dont think that i have seen any evidence of limitations with the qb to date worth debating other than the very deep vertical accuracy

i think it's just as much about playing to the skill positions and offenses strengths as it is the qbs and i think now that wallace and his very small catch radius and never working back to the ball is gone some of those vertical concerns with the qb will be alleviated

i know i expect him to bang more people down the seam now that we got a legit size speed and athlete seam threat tight end...

but i'm also of the opinion through 3 years of tannehill tape study that there isn't anything he can't do as a qb...i don't buy the 'system qb" stuff with him at all...the limitations this offense has had aren't qb based they are personnel based around the qb (short of normal needs time and reps qb development)

Every quarterback has strengths and weaknesses. Tannehill's relative strength is throwing inside the hashes. His relative weakness is anything other than that. It doesn't necessarily have to be a limitation to be a relative weakness, nor is what I'm saying an absolute (Tannehill does throw a very nice comeback, for example, and a pretty good corner route).

But on the macro level you've got to play the percentages. That's the whole point of coaching, giving your players as many opportunities as possible to do what they do best.

 

[SkapePhin]

Landry will be on my DFS squads a lot this year because he will be a PPR monster IMO.

It will be interesting to see if Tannehill can develop a rapport with Stills on deep throws. If he can, then I think a lot of the deep ball issues can be explained by Wallace's deficiencies when it comes to making route adjustments.