Dungy coaching and the NFL

[The Bills Suck]

I think it's really weak Tony Dungy continued on and is coaching today. The reason I think this is because it shows a complete lack of respect for life and death that NFL coaches seem to have.

Whether it's Ray Rhoades putting his health(family) in the back seat for football. Holmgren saying he would NOT visit, nor EVER speak Shaun Alexander in the hospital if he was injured on the play going for the touchdown record. That clearly illustrates the mind set of an NFL coach. They treat players like freakin animals, or property and not humans. Shaun wanted the record, for a game, Holmgren wants the win, for a game...if he's injured and cannot return that is paramount in terms of meaning. I know there's better and more examples of this.

Back to Dungy I sorta hope he does win the Super Bow this year. At least then after he accomplishes what all coaches believe is the most important thing in life he may see the light. When he's left with a ring and see's his hard work towards football and neglect he showed his son in him living out of state and alone at age 18 when he is already troubled and barely had any parental guidance due to Tony's devotion to football he'll realize what a selfish shallow quest he's been on.

 

[nopony]

I think it's really weak Tony Dungy continued on and is coaching today. The reason I think this is because it shows a complete lack of respect for life and death that NFL coaches seem to have.



You know this is not the first time I've heard this... uh, self-righteousness, for lack of a better description. And I feel like I have to say something.

I don't mean to abuse the poster, but making assumptions about other people's personal lives that you can't possibly know and then being judgemental of them... that's just tremendously unfair.

Ask any father what the worst thing you could say about them was... the lowest, most ugly spit-in-the-face thing you could say about them... and I bet pretty close to the top would things like "clearly he didn't care about his son and now he's dead".

It's a despicable thing to say about somebody. Particularly when you have no idea if it's true. And when every other source that is close to either father or son says that the OPPOSITE of what you say is true...

I think it's really weak Tony Dungy continued on and is coaching today. The reason I think this is because it shows a complete lack of respect for life and death that NFL coaches seem to have.

This is my other thing. I don't know how old you are or if you have ever had anyone you cared a lot about die... if you have, one of the first lessons you should have learned is that people grieve in their own way and their own time.

In all liklihood, Tony Dungy hurts more right now then you ever wil in your life. Few have to face something like that. And he's dealing with it his way right now. Don't judege that.

I know there's better and more examples of this.

You know you can't make a judgement on all of them based on a few tiny stories about a few of them, right?

I thinkn anyone whoever played much football will tell you that coaches that care very much about each of their players are not particularly rare.

Back to Dungy I sorta hope he does win the Super Bow this year. At least then after he accomplishes what all coaches believe is the most important thing in life he may see the light.

:shakeno:

When he's left with a ring and see's his hard work towards football and neglect he showed his son in him living out of state and alone at age 18 when he is already troubled and barely had any parental guidance due to Tony's devotion to football he'll realize what a selfish shallow quest he's been on.

You have NO idea about Dungy and his son or his life... and to say things like that is really kind of despicable... even on a message board.

 

[Metal Panda]

I think it's really weak Tony Dungy continued on and is coaching today. The reason I think this is because it shows a complete lack of respect for life and death that NFL coaches seem to have.

Whether it's Ray Rhoades putting his health(family) in the back seat for football. Holmgren saying he would NOT visit, nor EVER speak Shaun Alexander in the hospital if he was injured on the play going for the touchdown record. That clearly illustrates the mind set of an NFL coach. They treat players like freakin animals, or property and not humans. Shaun wanted the record, for a game, Holmgren wants the win, for a game...if he's injured and cannot return that is paramount in terms of meaning. I know there's better and more examples of this.

Back to Dungy I sorta hope he does win the Super Bow this year. At least then after he accomplishes what all coaches believe is the most important thing in life he may see the light. When he's left with a ring and see's his hard work towards football and neglect he showed his son in him living out of state and alone at age 18 when he is already troubled and barely had any parental guidance due to Tony's devotion to football he'll realize what a selfish shallow quest he's been on.

This is the most ridiculous pile of horse feces I've ever read, and it's self-important, shallow, and assinine. This article was probably written more to serve yourself and put forth an image of you as a "wholesome human being" more than it was to criticize Dungy.

Perhaps it's because YOU feel deep down you may have reacted differently if you had been in his shoes, but how dare you insinuate because somebody does not grieve the same way as you that they're wrong and that they're shallow human beings. There is no "correct" way to grieve. I've played in sporting events after family members died before--granted nothing like what happened to Dungy, but are you going to tell me I'm shallow too now, even though it hurt me severely when it happened?

You are not in the head of Dungy nor did you experience what he did or what he went through. The fact of the matter is, despite tragedy, life goes on, and I don't see exactly how it's "disrespectful" to his son that he is still coaching. Who knows? He might hang it up after this year. The jury is still out on that. But you are a presumptuous nimrod for insinuating because Dungy is still coaching, he is "shallow".

Psychologically speaking, it is unhealthy to surround yourself with misery following a tragedy, and usually people have to find a vice to help themselves cope. Music was always mine. Dungy's is football. Does this mean he has turned his back on his family? No. And I have a feeling he may not be coaching much more after this year...if at all.

If there is justice in this world, everybody will ignore this piece of pseudo-intellectual tripe you have spewed out. It is insulting, and I would say the same even if this was not Tony Dungy you were criticizing, even if it was a local mailman.

 

[Alex44]

Truthfully this thread doesnt deserve a response

What do you want Dungy to do? Sit in his room and cry and reminice 24/7?

The funeral is over and Dungy is probally in more pain than you can imagine

Maybe those 3 hours of football on sunday help him heal, maybe all those hours of practice and gameplanning help him feel better

This will be the hardest offseason of his life....and im not talking football wise

 

[BlitPhinFan]

nopony and RobFins2005 I :salute: you. I couldn't agree more.

EDIT: Add Alex22 to the list as well.

 

[nopony]

I know this is just a message board... but I'm abnormally happy that I wasn't alone in my reaction to this. I've heard this too much about Dungy and it really pushes my buttons.

Every time someone dies, there are others that feel it is their right to criticize how someone deals with their grief.

And it's even worse by a mile to insinuate that Dungy's love of football had anything to do with this tragedy.

 

[cnc66]

I started to post here twice and thought better of it. Thanks for speaking for me nopony

 

[UncleCosmic]

nopony, RobFins, and Alex-you said it all. I was disgusted reading that post and all the self-righteousness therein. I could not have said it better.

 

[The Bills Suck]

I see Tony's neglect leading to his son taking his life. Did u see the kid's myspace.com page? I know he has no control in the matter but NFL coaches are expected to abandon their families with the amount of time they spend on it. You can call me whatever you want but I see that as a problem. If you're going to raise a family you need to balance out your time properly.

It seems pretty COLD to me. The amount of time Tony's spent coaching how is he raising the kid properly? The kid picks now to do this? When Tony's having the most success in his life? I think the kid was jealous of the affection and attention football got so he wanted to hurt his dad. The kid has his own apartment at age 18 and had minimal parental guidance. Do you just hate troubled kids or something? If they can't make it, screw em, leave em alone, nfl's more important?

The very thing that may have contributed to his son's confusion over life and hopelessness, Tony see's it as OK to use it to motivate his team and for the NFL to use it for more attention.

 

[cnc66]

I see Tony's neglect leading to his son taking his life. Did u see the kid's myspace.com page? I know he has no control in the matter but NFL coaches are expected to abandon their families with the amount of time they spend on it. You can call me whatever you want but I see that as a problem. If you're going to raise a family you need to balance out your time properly.

It seems pretty COLD to me. The amount of time Tony's spent coaching how is he raising the kid properly? The kid picks now to do this? When Tony's having the most success in his life? I think the kid was jealous of the affection and attention football got so he wanted to hurt his dad. The kid has his own apartment at age 18 and had minimal parental guidance. Do you just hate troubled kids or something? If they can't make it, screw em, leave em alone, nfl's more important?

The very thing that may have contributed to his son's confusion over life and hopelessness, Tony see's it as OK to use it to motivate his team and for the NFL to use it for more attention.

I hope that someday you don't have to experience the powerlessness of watching someone you love fall into the abyss of depression suicide. Being somewhat experianced in this arena I find your judgemental comments cold, and very mean spirited. You only created this thread to further your own miserable hatefilled attitude and I think you should be ashamed for so judging another human being without having actually walked in his shoes.

 

[nopony]

I see Tony's neglect leading to his son taking his life.

All I see is a smug, self-righteous internet troll making judgements he can't possibly make.

Despicable. Really.

It seems pretty COLD to me. The amount of time Tony's spent coaching how is he raising the kid properly? The kid picks now to do this? When Tony's having the most success in his life? I think the kid was jealous of the affection and attention football got so he wanted to hurt his dad.

Give me a friggin' break, Doctor Phil. You have no idea if any of that garbage is true and a lot of evidence that says it wasn't.

The kid has his own apartment at age 18 and had minimal parental guidance. Do you just hate troubled kids or something? If they can't make it, screw em, leave em alone, nfl's more important?

I had my own apartment at 18. The fact that you may still live in your mom's basement doesn't detract from the fact that many if not most well-adjusted kids live away from home by the age of 18.

And Dungy did NOT ignore his kid. Jesus.

Do you even hear yourself? Do you realize how awful the things you are saying are? Do you really think that you, an internet troll, know enough about their personal lives to say that anything Dungy did led to this tragedy?

Suicide is a tragedy caused by ONE individual, but with many, many victims.

The very thing that may have contributed to his son's confusion over life and hopelessness, Tony see's it as OK to use it to motivate his team and for the NFL to use it for more attention.

Garbage.

Just garbage. You have a lot of growing up to do.

 

[The Bills Suck]

I know this is just a message board... but I'm abnormally happy that I wasn't alone in my reaction to this. I've heard this too much about Dungy and it really pushes my buttons.

Every time someone dies, there are others that feel it is their right to criticize how someone deals with their grief.

And it's even worse by a mile to insinuate that Dungy's love of football had anything to do with this tragedy.

I'm not insinuating a thing. How's he raising a kid and spending all that time coaching? If you have an 18y.o living on their own and they do that, I don't think it's that far of a stretch to call you a failure as a parent. Especially in this circumstance as there is no reason for it. Like Tony didn't KNOW his son...Like Tony didn't know his son needed HELP? Hell, he published it on the net to myspace he needed help, no one was listening though.

 

[nopony]

Yeah.... no parents should have jobs. You're right.

Do you realize how normal it is to be troubled at 18? Do you realize fow few of them commit suicide? Do you realize that you have to be available to your kids (which all indications are that Dungy WAS) but you CAN'T control them... you can't know.

Clearly you are not a parent, clearly you have not lost someone close to you and cleary you haven't had any experience with serious depression.

You should really just stop talking about it until you learn more about it.

 

[The Bills Suck]

nopony, I'm not sure I'm 100% right so let me say that. I'm not as stubborn as to suggest that either of us KNOWS for sure whos right. I've never heard anyone suggest these things. I realize it's a touchy subject and you can't really fit my life into any niche for you just because you disagree so strongly. So if you can't discuss this without name calling, I'm not interested.

 

[nopony]

You realize that you are flat-out saying that Dungy is responsible for the suicide of his SON and you think me calling you a troll is offensive? Do you see the irony in that?

I started off my very first post by saying I didn't want to attack you. I just wanted you to think about how terrible and unfounded what you were saying was.

When you came back here and said even worse... after everything everyone else had pointed out... well, I figured you NOT for a guy with an honest, though unjustified, opinion, but for someone who just likes to say awful things on the internet because he can.