if we're talking numbers, the one that I think I heard is that you have a 43 percent better chance of getting your franchise qb in the 1st than any other round.
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If we're thinking of the same guy, don't take him too seriously because he's already contradicted himself with his own stats like 27 times.
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Now that I would believe. Just looking at the distribution on the graph, the first round has a pretty even probability. In later rounds, there is a concentration closer to the "no value". To me it looks like the significance starts near the second half of the 2nd round. So, basically....anything after the firs 50 picks and you might as well wait until the later rounds and pick one every year. If you did that, you would then also increase your propability of getting a hit based on the number of picks you take...vs. hoping you get it right one time. (THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THE WHOLE TIME WE HAD MARINO...waste a 6th every damn year we had him...hope we hit on one over a 16 year period...)
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I'm sorry but I don't agree with this at all. Tom Brady won super bowls with no receivers at all. He didn't have Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Never had an Edgerin James puttin up 1,500 yards. The Colts were not predicted to do very well this year anyways. Tom Brady is the most clutch QB there is and he does it time and time again we no name sluts like Troy Brown and Deon Branch. Compare those two sluts to Marvin and Wayne
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Marvin Harrison fell off the face of the earth after leaving Indianapolis. Don't kid yourself, Reggie Wayne is Brian Hartline with somewhat better hands.
Austin Collie? Are you kidding me?
Austin Collie? Are you kidding me?
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He retired...he didn't try to play anywhere else that I know of...
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The bottom line is Brady won all his bowls with zero pro bowlers on offense that I can think of. Peyton had several ( Marvin, Wayne, and Edgerin ) at least. Brady had no studs like that
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I got you, I just think that Peyton made those guys pro bowlers. I always thought Edgerrin James was disturbingly overrated but hey.
I remember reading on PFT at the time that he worked out for a few times and nobody wanted him. Regardless, I think the argument that Peyton has had weapons and Brady hasn't is kind of off base. Brady is a great QB no doubt, but he has had the benefit of weapons, great defense and special teams, and a great scheme. He is putting up great numbers right now to carry that bad defense they have this year, but he does have weapons. Hernandez is a tremendous athlete and Welker, well, he's Welker.
I remember reading on PFT at the time that he worked out for a few times and nobody wanted him. Regardless, I think the argument that Peyton has had weapons and Brady hasn't is kind of off base. Brady is a great QB no doubt, but he has had the benefit of weapons, great defense and special teams, and a great scheme. He is putting up great numbers right now to carry that bad defense they have this year, but he does have weapons. Hernandez is a tremendous athlete and Welker, well, he's Welker.
Lame - graph wins play off wins and SBs and you will see the true story - games played means diddly squat every team that invests early picks on QBs year after searching for the next great one has to play their hopeful phenom due to the investment of money and time - has no correlation with wins Brady is prime example
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Yes Brady has better talent on Offense now, but none of those guys were their for the superbowls. Moss and Welker came later
is the measure of a franchise QB in super bowl wins or games won, and consistantly being the reason his team won, and not having his team win in spite of him? if super bowl wins is all that matters, then trent dilfer is above dan no questions asked.
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If the ball was at mid-field and I needed someone to put it in an open mailbox in the endzone, I'm going with Marino.
Side note, did anyone notice on that chart that the Sanchez dot was cozying up behind the dot that was tying his shoelace?
Side note, did anyone notice on that chart that the Sanchez dot was cozying up behind the dot that was tying his shoelace?
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Patriots 11-5 without Brady. All you need to know. You're telling me a couple WR's and a RB are more important than an elite defense? LOL. Obviously not since Brady has no rings without a defense, while throwing it to Randy Moss and Wes Welker. The Colts are nothing without Manning just like the Dolphins were nothing without Marino. Brady is one of the best to ever play the game, but you can put anybody in that system and they're going to thrive. You don't see the Colts thriving without Peyton. Far from it.
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1200 yard rusher and 1200 yard receiver in 2001 and a 1600 yard rusher in 2004. It's funny how you keep mentioning a couple players but continuously forget to mention an entire unit of a team. I can kind of see why.
2001 Patriots - 6th
2003 Patriots - 1st
2004 Patriots - 2nd
2007 Patriots - 4th
Peyton had the 21st defense when he won the SB, and the 8th in 2009.
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I don't appreciate the disrespect of Reggie Wayne and Edgarrin James going on in this thread. I understand Harrison was made by Manning as he had know outstanding athletic ability and could simply catch. However Wayne in his prime was no slouch he was very quick, a good leaper, ran great routes and has hands just like Harrison did. Harrison had a lot of spectacular catches because he couldn't get open as often and Peyton had to throw into tight windows. Wayne on the other hand seems to be wide open on all his big plays.
James was one of the few total package RBs to come along. He could run someone over, run around them, catch the ball, block and had good vision. How many RBs have you guys seen come along at his size that had that combination?
The main Difference with Peyton and Brady led teams has been defense (not including spying which has led to advantages for that defense). Manning has never had a good Defense while Brady has, until recently. Also Brady went down and the Pats kept winning. Manning went down and we are seeing them without him right now.
James was one of the few total package RBs to come along. He could run someone over, run around them, catch the ball, block and had good vision. How many RBs have you guys seen come along at his size that had that combination?
The main Difference with Peyton and Brady led teams has been defense (not including spying which has led to advantages for that defense). Manning has never had a good Defense while Brady has, until recently. Also Brady went down and the Pats kept winning. Manning went down and we are seeing them without him right now.