ESPN Article: Ranking 32 NFL QBs by Tier (Need ESPN Insider Help)

[truedolfan57]

Ben made plays to win that game, I don't care what the rating was.

a qb can make the game winning score, doesn't mean he played better than a qb who rated over 100. just means the defense choked.

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just because a team wins, doesn't mean the qb played good.

 

[nyjunc]

a qb can make the game winning score, doesn't mean he played better than a qb who rated over 100. just means the defense choked.

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just because a team wins, doesn't mean the qb played good.

he made plays early when they built the big lead and it he put the game away late. we had all the momentum, if Pitt goes 3 and out we get the ball back w/a chance to win but he led them to 2 1st downs and sealed the win. 2 years later Peyton couldn't get that last 1st down and gave Baltimore a chance and they stole a win. The #s tell part of the story, we cannot judge based solely on the #s or ratings.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

oh boy, wow! I have seen some asinine things posted in my many years of psoting on various boards but this one- just wow!

Oh, I don't know. I think I remember someone actually claiming that Sanchez was a quality QB. Now that is truly asinine.

 

[truedolfan57]

he made plays early when they built the big lead and it he put the game away late. we had all the momentum, if Pitt goes 3 and out we get the ball back w/a chance to win but he led them to 2 1st downs and sealed the win. 2 years later Peyton couldn't get that last 1st down and gave Baltimore a chance and they stole a win. The #s tell part of the story, we cannot judge based solely on the #s or ratings.

With a stat of 30 vs 100+, sure you can. I don't care what Ben did. He had a QB rating of 30 (according to you). He sucked. That's all there is to it. If he was average or good, it wouldn't have been 30. It's not that hard. It's not like you are arguing a ten, twenty, thirty, or even 50 point difference. You are talking 70+.

 

[nyjunc]

Oh, I don't know. I think I remember someone actually claiming that buttfumble was a quality QB. Now that is truly asinine.

The proof is in the results. Mark on Miami 2013 and Miami easily makes the playoffs.

With a stat of 30 vs 100+, sure you can. I don't care what Ben did. He had a QB rating of 30 (according to you). He sucked. That's all there is to it. If he was average or good, it wouldn't have been 30. It's not that hard. It's not like you are arguing a ten, twenty, thirty, or even 50 point difference. You are talking 70+.

He didn't suck, this is an example of folks not watching the flow of the game. he was the difference in the game for Pitt, he made HUGE plays to get his team to the SB. He had 2 INts that didn't hurt Pitt at all that dropped his rating down. One was a 4th down play where if he gets sacked they turn it over anyway so he forced it and we picked it off at the LOS w/o advancing. the 2nd was a deep ball picked off inside the NYJ 10 and returned to the 14.


just taking those 2 plays away his rating goes up to 83.7 and that doesn't take into account his rushing TD.

 

[truedolfan57]

he still didn't play better than a QB with a 100+ rating.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

The proof is in the results. Mark on Miami 2013 and Miami easily makes the playoffs.

Sanchez on Miami 2013 and they are winless. Sanchez is easily the worst at handling pressure in recent memory. Here is evidence:

Thanks to one of the best offensive lines in the league, Sanchez was under pressure on just 27.66% of his 640 drop backs, which ranked 31st out of 34 QBs in the study. (Only Peyton Manning, Matt Hasselbeck and Jon Kitna were under duress fewer times).

Sanchez had the lowest completion percentage under pressure in the league at 35.46%.

If you take the time to look into a quarterback’s passing numbers under pressure, I feel that you can get a decent look into how well that quarterback makes decisions. Several questions need to be asked of a quarterback under pressure. How often is the quarterback pressured, what’s the quarterback’s completion percentage under pressure, and how often does the quarterback throw the ball away?

According to Pro Football Focus, Mark Sanchez was pressured on 100 drop backs, or about 29% of his passing attempts, tied for 12th lowest in the league, with Houston’s Matt Schaub. However, despite facing such a low amount of pressure, Sanchez is the most inaccurate quarterback in the league when encountering pressure, completing only 48% of his passes. For comparison, the league average for accuracy when facing pressure is 61%.

For comparison, this is from Tannehill's rookie year:

If I gave everyone reading this a chance to guess the two most accurate quarterbacks under pressure, I’d bet a very small percentage would have come back with the right answer. Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill are currently first and second, respectively, in Accuracy Percentage under pressure.

 

[truedolfan57]

Sanchez on Miami 2013 and they are winless. Sanchez is easily the worst at handling pressure in recent memory. Here is evidence:





For comparison, this is from Tannehill's rookie year:

but stats don't matter. you have to watch the flow of the game. oh and 2 afc championship games.


just wanted to get that out of the way. see if junc can come up with something else.

 

[nyjunc]

mark makes plays especially when he has talent around him like Ryan had. 2012 mark stunk w/ the worst talent around him in the league. w/ Miami in 2013 you would have easily made the playoffs. stop posting stats and start watching games.

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but stats don't matter. you have to watch the flow of the game. oh and 2 afc championship games.


just wanted to get that out of the way. see if junc can come up with something else.

you guys had a chance to make a run last year, how did that work out?

 

[truedolfan57]

mark makes plays especially when he has talent around him like Ryan had. 2012 mark stunk w/ the worst talent around him in the league. w/ Miami in 2013 you would have easily made the playoffs. stop posting stats and start watching games.

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you guys had a chance to make a run last year, how did that work out?

you should just put my post in your sig, put your name on it, and just reply to every post with a ".". SSDD


and wtf does your last statement have to do with anything? lol

 

[nyjunc]

you should just put my post in your sig, put your name on it, and just reply to every post with a ".". SSDD


and wtf does your last statement have to do with anything? lol

when Mark had a chance he made 2 title games, when Ryan had a chance he couldn't beat 1 of 2 mediocre teams to end the season leading his O to a total of 7 points.

mark is irrelevant to this discussion, Miami had enough to make the playoffs but the QB held them back.

 

[Vaark]

Just for the record, as far as the fairytale that buttfumble would have done better than Tannehill, one needs only to examine 2011 when the jets were 8-5 and then lost to 3 teams that were cumulatively 19-33 at the times they played them. Considering that Football outsiders ranked Tannehill's '13 OL @ #28 in both overall and passing vs buttfumble's '11 OL at #7 overall and #17 in passing and that buttfumble's running game put up 250 more yards than did our '13 backs, it's hard to argue that buttfumble would have done better with what Tannehill had to work with (even Hartline going out in the last game), let alone as well.

Adding fuel to that fire, the 8 teams that buttfumble beat in '11 finished with overall records of 32-48 beating no winning teams that season. Still despite that, if buttfumble didn't play true to kind, he still could have gotten them into the playoffs facing whom he did the last 3 games. Consequently when it came to facing and beating formidable opponents in '11 and '12, the proverbial fork was already stuck in buttfumble. Actually giving credit where due, in '12, buttfumble and crew did beat Indy, so that makes 1 winning team they beat in buttfumble's last 2 seasons as a starter. Lots of confidence in him vs Tannehill in that regard too, eh?

Since I really need to practice what I am now actively "preaching," this is likely my last contribution on a thread that is essentially an internal discussion of Tannehill that seems to have "mysteriously" started to agendize out of control .

 

[nyjunc]

when we choked to end 2011 we had less talent than Miami and mark faced the hottest team in the league at Philly and the eventual SB champs among the final 3.

Also, he led his offenses to an AVERAGE of 17 PPG which was 10 points more PER GAME than the great Ryan led a more talent Miami offense to COMBINED in the last 2 games against 2 dead teams.

oh, and he had 2 title game apps to fall back on. Ryan doesn't have that.

again, Mark is irrelevant to this discussion. Let's just discuss the failures of Ryan to keep a playoff caliber team out of the playoffs.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Just for the record, as far as the fairytale that buttfumble would have done better than Tannehill, one needs only to examine 2011 when the jets were 8-5 and then lost to 3 teams that were cumulatively 19-33 at the times they played them. Considering that Football outsiders ranked Tannehill's '13 OL @ #28 in both overall and passing vs buttfumble's '11 OL at #7 overall and #17 in passing and that buttfumble's running game put up 250 more yards than did our '13 backs, it's hard to argue that buttfumble would have done better with what Tannehill had to work with (even Hartline going out in the last game), let alone as well.

Adding fuel to that fire, the 8 teams that buttfumble beat in '11 finished with overall records of 32-48 beating no winning teams that season. Still despite that, if buttfumble didn't play true to kind, he still could have gotten them into the playoffs facing whom he did the last 3 games. Consequently when it came to facing and beating formidable opponents in '11 and '12, the proverbial fork was already stuck in buttfumble. Actually giving credit where due, in '12, buttfumble and crew did beat Indy, so that makes 1 winning team they beat in buttfumble's last 2 seasons as a starter. Lots of confidence in him vs Tannehill in that regard too, eh?

Since I really need to practice what I am now actively "preaching," this is likely my last contribution on a thread that is essentially an internal discussion of Tannehill that seems to have "mysteriously" started to agendize out of control .

I broke my policy of no peaking at junc's posts. He is on my ignore list. I must do better at sticking to my ignores. There is literally no value for me from his posts. Others may find him valuable but I honestly cannot think of a single post of his in all the years that I have been on this site that I found the least bit insightful. It may be totally on me, but ignore is the best place for him, IMO.

 

[nyjunc]

ignore me and reality all you want. it's your loss.