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ESPN Film Room: Mike Wallace

been saying this all along.. but a lot of individuals here feel mike wallace is a one trick pony, needs to fight for the ball, and catch the ball with his hands. He's proven he can be more than all of that, and could be a monster if ryan tannehill can put the ball where it needs to be. Its not that hard, I just think tannehill doesn't have this type of skill right now.
 
ANUFan said:
Call me crazy, but last season I think based on my observations. Ryan "over threw" Wallace for one main reason: He didn't think/judge Ryan would actually try to throw it that far and as a result never got up to Top Speed in anticipation of it.

If you watch M.Wallace runs he kinds coast and then turns up the juice. If he knows it's coming deep and far I think he'll put in necessary speed to adjust accordingly.

If i were Lazor I would tell Ryan, "Stop helping out the Defenses by under throwing balls!" From now on if you can't get it there perfectly? You better be "overthrowing" the ball. Let's see how fast M.Wallace really is.

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I agree to a point. But, Wallace has to meet him half-way on that. Sure, not 20 but at least 5-10 a practice That timing needs to get sound.
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No, one thing we know is wallace will beat his defender. so theres no need to worry about his speed. Once you see Wallace has him beat throwit out there.. I can live with an over throw. An under throw is just unacceptable.
 
If Wallace is getting past defenders on a somewhat regular basis, then he should be scoring 2 or 3 long TDs per game. If the QB can't get him the ball, then replace the QB.
 
ANUFan said:
Call me crazy, but last season I think based on my observations. Ryan "over threw" Wallace for one main reason: He didn't think/judge Ryan would actually try to throw it that far and as a result never got up to Top Speed in anticipation of it.

If you watch M.Wallace runs he kinds coast and then turns up the juice. If he knows it's coming deep and far I think he'll put in necessary speed to adjust accordingly.

If i were Lazor I would tell Ryan, "Stop helping out the Defenses by under throwing balls!" From now on if you can't get it there perfectly? You better be "overthrowing" the ball. Let's see how fast M.Wallace really is.

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I agree to a point. But, Wallace has to meet him half-way on that. Sure, not 20 but at least 5-10 a practice That timing needs to get sound.
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A ****ing men! If you want to put the chit on the WR, make him go get it. Put the proverbial ball in his court.

I believe Big Ben once said something like it was a challenge to over Wallace.
 
even with the misses in this offense wallace is gonna be a double digit td producer
 
I was really tough on Wallace all offseason for being a non-physical overpaid diva punk, but he's proven me wrong in the first two games. He's shown the most heart and determination out of any player other than Moreno and Wake. He's fought for balls, hit his routes, and blocked downfield opening up some holes in the running game. I'm a huge fan of when a player shuts my mouth with his play on the field, and Wallace has done that so far.
 
napsndreds said:
No, one thing we know is wallace will beat his defender. so theres no need to worry about his speed. Once you see Wallace has him beat throwit out there.. I can live with an over throw. An under throw is just unacceptable.
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This is totally illogical. An overthrow cannot be caught. An under throw is caught every week in the NFL, just not by Wallace.

Wallace has picked up his game, but he still has the smallest catch radius of any WR in his price range, by far. My biggest issue is not that he doesn't catch the under thrown passes, it is that he has not attempted to change his approach. He is still basket catching those passes. Reach up for the god damn ball! At least TRY.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
This is totally illogical. An overthrow cannot be caught. An under throw is caught every week in the NFL, just not by Wallace.

Wallace has picked up his game, but he still has the smallest catch radius of any WR in his price range, by far. My biggest issue is not that he doesn't catch the under thrown passes, it is that he has not attempted to change his approach. He is still basket catching those passes. Reach up for the god damn ball! At least TRY.
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He may have a small catch radius but he creates a big target zone. Its not as big as the elite WRs because he probably won't come down with it when covered but he's still able to create a big target area, big enough anyway. The problem is instead of throwing him open Tannehill throws him into the coverage. I wish we had access to that technology they were using during the Thursday night game where they were illustrating open areas and target zones. In a lot of cases I think you would see the green target zone is enormous but Tannehill just happens to place the ball right on the edge where its kind of a grey area. Like that throw in the Colts game where Wallace had to literally stop and wait at about the ten yard line whereas the perfect ball would have came down more like 5 yards in the endzone. That's like a 15 yard window on that play which is pretty huge. I don't know how big the target zone was on the missed post in the Bills game but I guess it could have been at least 5 yards more to the left and/or 5 yards deeper.
 
I don't know if this applies to Wallace but a great line for some of the faster WRs is "if he's even, he's leavin'." Maybe Tannehill is waiting that split second to make sure he's wide open before pulling the trigger screwing up the timing, whereas he should just throw it if he's sees them running side by side. Throw him open.

Maybe we'd even get a few PIs out of the deal. Its amazing Wallace only has one PI called against him and maybe no holding penalties with as open as he gets. The one PI was probably the best throw Tannehill made to him but the DB tackled him, it came in OT during the Bengals game. That was the one time the throw was perfect. Would Wallace have made the catch? Who knows. Brutal they got robbed of it though, that might have kept a lot of people off their backs, for a while at least.
 
roy_miami said:
He may have a small catch radius but he creates a big target zone. Its not as big as the elite WRs because he probably won't come down with it when covered but he's still able to create a big target area, big enough anyway. The problem is instead of throwing him open Tannehill throws him into the coverage. I wish we had access to that technology they were using during the Thursday night game where they were illustrating open areas and target zones. In a lot of cases I think you would see the green target zone is enormous but Tannehill just happens to place the ball right on the edge where its kind of a grey area. Like that throw in the Colts game where Wallace had to literally stop and wait at about the ten yard line whereas the perfect ball would have came down more like 5 yards in the endzone. That's like a 15 yard window on that play which is pretty huge. I don't know how big the target zone was on the missed post in the Bills game but I guess it could have been at least 5 yards more to the left and/or 5 yards deeper.
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I don't have the confidence that Wallace can adjust to the ball once it is in the air. He seems to be lost at times when trying to track the ball.


roy_miami said:
I don't know if this applies to Wallace but a great line for some of the faster WRs is "if he's even, he's leavin'." Maybe Tannehill is waiting that split second to make sure he's wide open before pulling the trigger screwing up the timing, whereas he should just throw it if he's sees them running side by side. Throw him open.

Maybe we'd even get a few PIs out of the deal. Its amazing Wallace only has one PI called against him and maybe no holding penalties with as open as he gets. The one PI was probably the best throw Tannehill made to him but the DB tackled him, it came in OT during the Bengals game. That was the one time the throw was perfect. Would Wallace have made the catch? Who knows. Brutal they got robbed of it though, that might have kept a lot of people off their backs, for a while at least.
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You may have nailed part of it. I also wonder if Wallace is inconsistent in his running of the routes. Does he always run them at the same speed? Is his foot work consistent?

Clearly the timing is a bit better this season but it is still not there.
 
As for the Tannehill Wallace connection, or lack thereof. I think I have a solution. It's kinda BB-ish but I think it might work. What we do, is have Matt Moore wear a Tannehill jersey, but wear something over it, and keep his helmet on the whole time, then have Tannehill either call a TO or run out of bounds into a large group of Fins players that will include...you guessed it Matt Moore. Moore takes off the jacket, tannehill throws it on, then Moore runs out to play as Tannehill. Very next play throw it deep to Wallace. TD!!!!! Man I should be a coach, I think I have what it takes!
 
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