With all the Mike Vick talk, i was wondering about people in football. I always wondered does a persons character matter to the fans? If Player X makes the Fins better but is a complete d bag and has minor legal problems would he be wanted? I can never tell when one outweighs the other.
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hdxstunts1
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i think what he did was wrong, no doubt about that but if he says hes changed he deserves the second chance and that means with anybody, better to have him with us then against us!
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With a lot of fans it matters HOW good the player is...unfortunately, if a player is pretty darn good they can get away with a lot more off the field trouble.
Ethics don't matter to the fans and the fans think it doesn't matter to the people who run the team—but it absolutely does. Even when Michael Vick was in the league, probably more than half of the teams wouldn't have made a move for him if he was on the block. The guy is an incredible athlete. He's fast, elusive, and he can throw the ball 75 yards...with no accuracy whatsoever. Now, he's been out of the league for how long? Think his accuracy improved while in prison? Most fans are blinded by his pure athleticism but fail to see that the guy is riddled with bad judgment and he has a poor work ethic. It's well documented. He surrounds himself with others who have poor judgment (ie: Allen Iverson). And some of us think it's a good idea to put this kind of person—forget player—on a young team such as we have now?
By the way, Atlanta COMPLETELY reconstructed their style of offensive play around Michael Vick's skill in order to be successful. What team today is going to completely reconstruct their offensive philosophy around a QB who has spent the past two seasons in prison and never threw the ball with any kind of accuracy to begin with. Anyone who thinks that Mike Vick steps back into this league and dominates needs to open their eyes.
By the way, Atlanta COMPLETELY reconstructed their style of offensive play around Michael Vick's skill in order to be successful. What team today is going to completely reconstruct their offensive philosophy around a QB who has spent the past two seasons in prison and never threw the ball with any kind of accuracy to begin with. Anyone who thinks that Mike Vick steps back into this league and dominates needs to open their eyes.
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A lot of young people do a lot of dumb things.That's part of being young and very understable,but when you get into being evil that's when teams will pass on you.As of right now 2/3 of the NFL have told Vick No thanks.
I would love for Vick to be blacklisted by all the NFL teams.That would make every player think more about what they are doing.
If a guy is a complete d bag, i don't want him on the Miami Dolphins, but minor legal problems are just that minor.
I would love for Vick to be blacklisted by all the NFL teams.That would make every player think more about what they are doing.
If a guy is a complete d bag, i don't want him on the Miami Dolphins, but minor legal problems are just that minor.
SRM
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I'd say it does.. like I wouldn't want Adam Jones, Chris Henry, or Mike Vick. They're good players but they bring a bad image to the team, and you can't help but have that thought in the back of your head that they could **** up at any moment and get themselves suspended and put that position in a bad situation, which all 3 of them have done so far.
3rdandinches
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Fans get this idea in their head that you "need" this player because of their talent. They forget how there's a tonne of talent out there and you have the choice to build a team with class and dignity.
X-Pacolypse
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Yes it does. I have stated in the past that I would walk away from the Dolphins as a fan if they signed Michael Vick. Thankfully, I don't have to do that. That being said, this team has had it's share of characters over the years. As somebody who takes care of dogs as a part-time job, Vick's actions just disgust me to the core. I couldn't support a team that gives that man a second chance. I just couldn't.
McGaniel
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Vick hopefully won't get a second shot.
Some fans are so receptive of a convicted fellon that has done his so called "time" now being able to return to the NFL. Players have such a huge impact on society and influence on our youngsters that this should not be aloud. ONE THING THAT I DO KNOW IS: If I were arrested for dog fighting I would not be able to return to my job due to the lack of credibility alone. Hopefully all NFL Teams will judge this as any large corporation would and not allow Vick to play. He will kill a Teams Fan Base and owners know it. Keeping a good public image of a team will most likely keep him off most rosters.
Some fans are so receptive of a convicted fellon that has done his so called "time" now being able to return to the NFL. Players have such a huge impact on society and influence on our youngsters that this should not be aloud. ONE THING THAT I DO KNOW IS: If I were arrested for dog fighting I would not be able to return to my job due to the lack of credibility alone. Hopefully all NFL Teams will judge this as any large corporation would and not allow Vick to play. He will kill a Teams Fan Base and owners know it. Keeping a good public image of a team will most likely keep him off most rosters.
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dlockz
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I agree with the last sentence but people on this board think White will come in and dominate as a rookie
dlockz
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So JD Quinn is class and dignity. The NFL is not based on the factors u mention.
GoonBoss
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Well, in terms of ethics, the subject tends to be very.......Subjective. Take for instance; The BOR garuntees us a number of rights. Among those is the right against unlawful search and seizure. Often, the cops, knowing they can intimidate lots of people will ask people if they can "Take a look inside" your car. Now, you do it because you are intimidated, but you have waived your 4th ammendment rights by doing so. The officer knows this. Is this unethical? I personally think so. Police officers are supposed to uphold the law, but often will skirt and subvert it at every turn to make an arrest. To them? Perfectly ethical.
Most organizations have ethical standards as guidelines. Fans dont. For me, I have an ethical standard known as my "Once Cent Line". Like if I'm buying a car. Conceptually, the sales guy could keep jacking up the price of the car .01 cent at a time. Eventually, I would say "No sale". He could counter with "It's just one cent more than my last offer." To which I say "One cent too many."
That is my life ethical standard. Should Mike Vick be allowed to play in the NFL? IMO; No.
I know Mike Vick has been involved with the barbaric spectical of dogfighting. It's proven. This alone would not make me say no to re enstatement. Yes, he fought dogs. If you are just bringing the dog to fight another dog, and if one dog loses, he's put down quickly and humanely (Gunshot to head) I still find it abhorrent, but not something ban worthy.
What vick did however, demonstrating callous, unrelenting and IMO unrepentant amoral acts of cruelty towards said animals, not to mention all the dogs that he captured, or had captured and more or less fed to the other dogs.....That's over my one cent line.
Joey Porter, I'm positive, has fought dogs. I do not, however, know the extent of his involvment. I doubt I ever will. I've got no issue with him being able to play in the NFL because I don't know to what extent he is involved. He hasn't crossed my one cent line.
That's the best way I can explain individual ethics.
Most organizations have ethical standards as guidelines. Fans dont. For me, I have an ethical standard known as my "Once Cent Line". Like if I'm buying a car. Conceptually, the sales guy could keep jacking up the price of the car .01 cent at a time. Eventually, I would say "No sale". He could counter with "It's just one cent more than my last offer." To which I say "One cent too many."
That is my life ethical standard. Should Mike Vick be allowed to play in the NFL? IMO; No.
I know Mike Vick has been involved with the barbaric spectical of dogfighting. It's proven. This alone would not make me say no to re enstatement. Yes, he fought dogs. If you are just bringing the dog to fight another dog, and if one dog loses, he's put down quickly and humanely (Gunshot to head) I still find it abhorrent, but not something ban worthy.
What vick did however, demonstrating callous, unrelenting and IMO unrepentant amoral acts of cruelty towards said animals, not to mention all the dogs that he captured, or had captured and more or less fed to the other dogs.....That's over my one cent line.
Joey Porter, I'm positive, has fought dogs. I do not, however, know the extent of his involvment. I doubt I ever will. I've got no issue with him being able to play in the NFL because I don't know to what extent he is involved. He hasn't crossed my one cent line.
That's the best way I can explain individual ethics.
GoonBoss
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No, but it is an organization based on image and preserving that image. DUIs, for better or worse are simply not seen as that serious, as large segments of the population have at one time driven over the legal limit. Again, right or wrong? Subjective I guess.
OTOH, A guy like Vick who engaged in Dogfighting, interstate trafficking of said dogs for the purpose of fighting them, gambleing, and racketeering that has served a jail sentance that in unrivaled in NFL history is held in contempt by many, because he's engaged in activity that most of the general public is not involved in.