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Evaluating The Team Pt.1: QBs, WRs, RBs

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QBs:

Daunte Culpepper- Daunte played in four games for us this past season, and showed mediocre play. Obviously this wasnt the expectations of him after first signing him. Now, on that note, the reason we had such high expectations for him were his previous years with the Vikings. While with the Vikings, Daunte threw 135 TDs and 86 INTs. Now that is pretty good. However there is a debate that has been going on for years now. Did Randy Moss make Daunte Culpepper? I personally say no, but beleive what you want. Given these stats, Im willing to give Daunte another year to try and prove his worth.

Joey Harrington- Joey played in 11 games for us this past season and, like Culpepper, played mediocre. His final stats on the year were 12 TDs and 15 INTs. People say he played the best out of all three QBs we have had but the only thing different between him and 2004 Feeley is one TD. Is that the QB we want leading our team? Now, in his defense, there were other things that may have hurt his ability some, but he STILL had the lowest QB rating out of all of ours. The way I see it, his play isnt worth his salary.

Cleo Lemon- Ah yes, good ol' Cleo. Cleo played in 4 games for us, only starting 1 of them. His final numbers were 2 TDs and 1 INT. From the limited time I have seen him, I havent seen any major mistakes on his part. Now odds are he will be a career backup, But I see him being a really good back up. Maybe along the lines of Matt Schaub or David Garrard? He is a Restricted Free Agent this offseason, and I would like to see him back in Miami.

Final Word

Keepers
-Daunte Culpepper, Cleo Lemon


HBs:

Ronnie Brown- This guy has played 2 seasons with us and played in 28 games. In those 28 games he has piled up a total of 1915 yards rushing and 508 yds receiving, for a total of 2423 yards. This comes out to be 86.5 yards a game. That is very good given the fact that our line was average, if that. Come next year, we should have Ricky Williams back and that would provide the 1-2 punch in the backfield that made us tick in 2005.

Ricky Williams- Ricky Williams is a mystery. Is he going to show up on our roster next season? who knows. What I do know is that if we DO have him, we will pontentially have the most dominant backfield. When Ronnie needs a break, put in Ricky. Cant go wrong there. Like I said in Ronnies section, these two backs worked for us in 05, so go for it again.

Sammy Morris- He is a backup who can easily work into our system. However he is a free agent this offseason and if Ricky is back, will we resign Morris? Unless an injury were to occur, he probally wont see playing time.

Travis Minor- Travis basically will fall under the category that Sammy Morris is in. He too is a free agent. One advantage Minor has though, is his help in special teams. This alone could get him a contract.

Final Word

Keepers- Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Travis Minor


WRs:

Chris Chambers- Oh, this could get intresting. I dont know about this guy. I really like him, as seen in my name, but his play lately has got me questioning. Over his career, he has shown me that he is inconsistant, BUT, when he wants to be good, he is REALLY good. That can be seen in the Buffalo game. On the note of the Buffalo game, and many others, most of his stats are piled up when he is playing in the slot. Is he worth his money? I think so. Im going to give him another year to back up my assumption.

Marty Booker- Im on the fence about Booker. He, like Chambers, is inconsistant. However, unlike Chambers, he hasnt had that Big game to show us what he is truly capable of. I dont know about him. He also cant seem to stand on his feet.

Wes Welker- Like Booker, Im on the fence about him. Hes a good return man and a decent receiver, but he lacks speed. A return man could easily be replaced, we already have a possibility in Marcus Vick. A slot receiver could also be replaced, maybe Chambers? He is a free agent and I wouldnt care either way.

Derek Hagan- I like this guy. I think he has the talent to become a good #2 receiver. He runs good routes, can get open, and has decent speed. The only drawback on him is he seems to have the Chambers disease. Hopefully that can get worked out.

Marcus Vick- I like him. I know theres people who want him gone, with all the off field problems and such, but I havent heard anything negative sense joining the Dolphins. I also like the possibilities he gives us. We saw it with Randle El, we saw it with Brad Smith, so why not Vick?

Final Word

Keepers- Chambers, Hagan, Vick



Stay tuned. Heres my schedule.
Part 1: QB, RB, WR
Part 2: FB, TE, K, P
Part 3: Oline
Part 4: Dline, LB
Part 5. CB, S
 
QB: I'm not a DC fan, he's good with a true #1 and is mobile. I see him getting 80-85% of his mobility back and we don't have a true #1. Cameron's offense appears to require a QB who can read defesnses fast, I question if DC can do that. I'd keep Harrington and coach him up. He played the best of all three last year (and was a team player). Lemon would be a good backup.

Wr: CC needs to take a pay cut if he wants to stay. He gets paid too much for a slot receiver. If he won't rsturucture trade him for a player or high draft pick. Booker and Welker were the most dependable in 2006. Vick could be a good return man. Our receiving corp is average at best, however, so was SDs so we have the right coach in Cameron.
 
Im not even going to get into the QB debate as I'm really, really, really tired of it, but i will say this, Joey has been in the league for 5 years now, what you see, is what you get. As for the WR's. Chambers is too inconsistent to justify cutting the most solid and dependable receiver on our team: Booker. Hagan also hasn't proved himself just yet, and as much as i like the kid, dont feel he's just yet ready for full #2 duties. I want to work him into the line-up slowly, switch up with booker every now and again, and move chambers inside some. I'd be very satisfied with Hagan if he were to get in the 50-60 catch range area.
 
Well written...particularly if you are 16. Totally disagree with assessment though. Harrington-to-Booker was clearly our most successful combination. Any combination that included Culpepper and/or Chambers was not so good. Too big of a gamble to get rid of what worked last year and keep what didn't IMO.
 
first off let me say i dont have any animosity towards booker and hagan but i think we should let them go and get someone who can really , really , scare defenses. i say we keep. welker, chambers and cut the other players and get some real receivers who raise pur hell on oposing defenses.
as for qbs i want all three guys to suceed but ithink lemon is our #1 guy and duante is a backup for now joey is probally gone. we need to draft 2 qbs one this year and one next year to strenghten our corp of qbs.:chase:
 
Great Read But Booker is good


I disagree. It's a terrible read. Booker is consistent. He is a true professional.
Ricky Williams can't be a keeper because he hasn't even been reinstated by the league.
The commentary is just one person's fantasy.
 
Marty Booker is our most consistnet reciever. He also had more 100 yard games (3) and had a higher YPC (13.6) then our supposed "big play/#1" reciever. Getting rid of him would be rediculous.
 
Final Word

Keepers-Daunte Culpepper, Cleo Lemon

Final Word

Keepers- Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Travis Minor

Final Word

Keepers- Chambers, Hagan, Vick

I would keep Sammy Morris over Travis Minor (Sammy is a better HB and can play FB) and I would keep Wes Welker over Marcus Vick.

CP would be a "keeper" only because noone else is ready to take over the offense at this point. I would sign Carr and either Quinn or Stanton and then see if either of those guys could beat CP in training camp. If so, I would then dump CP and his fat contract (or trade him if the Phins could find anyone that stupid).

GO PHINS~!
 
I disagree. It's a terrible read. Booker is consistent. He is a true professional.
Ricky Williams can't be a keeper because he hasn't even been reinstated by the league.
The commentary is just one person's fantasy.

My god, how is Booker consistant. He is no more consistant than Chambers and Chambers has more upside. I think Booker is a true professional, but that doesn't mean he's consistant. Calling this a terrible read isn't exactly what I have in mind, but sure commentary is just one person's fantasy... But aren't most of our opinions based on what we want to happen?
 
Well written...particularly if you are 16. Totally disagree with assessment though. Harrington-to-Booker was clearly our most successful combination. Any combination that included Culpepper and/or Chambers was not so good. Too big of a gamble to get rid of what worked last year and keep what didn't IMO.

:nono: then how did Culpepper have a better QB rating than Harrington?
 
:nono: then how did Culpepper have a better QB rating than Harrington?
c'mon...you know I don't just make stuff up...don't you? The reason Culpepper had a better QB rating than Harrington is for one main reason and that is Chris Chambers attitude/play when Harrington was in. Chambers took his game to an all new "low" when Harrington was QB. It was as if Chambers acted like a pouting little baby when Harrington was playing. However, Booker was a man about the whole QB situation this past year.
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Joey Harrington when throwing to Chambers:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 40 comp 101 att 39.6% comp 457 yds (4.52 ypa) 2 TD 8 INT 27.53 QB rating

Joey Harrington when throwing to Booker:
40 comp 61 attempts 65.57% comp 525 yds (8.60 ypa) 5 TD 1 INT 113.08 QB rating

This is why I made the statement that Harrington-to-Booker was our best combination by far!


That is why Culpepper had a better rating (and the fact Culpepper's rating was strongly influenced by 2nd/3rd and long after a sack in which dump-offs didn't result in 1st downs but increased QB rating and going up against soft defenses when down by 8 or more in the 4th quarter...both TD passes occurred under that situation). This is why I believe if Cam finds a legitimate #1 WR and starts Harrington or Lemon this team will be just fine. The cancer on this offense when Harrington was playing truly was Chambers!
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c'mon...you know I don't just make stuff up...don't you? The reason Culpepper had a better QB rating than Harrington is for one main reason and that is Chris Chambers attitude/play when Harrington was in. Chambers took his game to an all new "low" when Harrington was QB. It was as if Chambers acted like a pouting little baby when Harrington was playing. However, Booker was a man about the whole QB situation this past year.
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Joey Harrington when throwing to Chambers:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 40 comp 101 att 39.6% comp 457 yds (4.52 ypa) 2 TD 8 INT 27.53 QB rating

Joey Harrington when throwing to Booker:
40 comp 61 attempts 65.57% comp 525 yds (8.60 ypa) 5 TD 1 INT 113.08 QB rating

This is why I made the statement that Harrington-to-Booker was our best combination by far!


That is why Culpepper had a better rating (and the fact Culpepper's rating was strongly influenced by 2nd/3rd and long after a sack in which dump-offs didn't result in 1st downs but increased QB rating and going up against soft defenses when down by 8 or more in the 4th quarter...both TD passes occurred under that situation). This is why I believe if Cam finds a legitimate #1 WR and starts Harrington or Lemon this team will be just fine. The cancer on this offense when Harrington was playing truly was Chambers!
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:nono:.. right... it was all chambers fault... had nothing to do with Harrington throwing up 15 int's and making some of the DUMBEST football decisions ive ever seen. Btw, of course Bookers rating will be higher, think of it like this, Passes to Booker are free throws, higher percentage shots,. Passes to Chambers are 3 pointers, lower percentage shots. Now granted, Chambers play this last season was lack luster but making such a blanket statement is ignorant. Harrington, over his CAREER has proven that he is not a starting Quarterback in this league. Daunte, has. Look at his CAREER numbers, look at his probowls, now obviously what he did on the Vikings is non relevant, but honestly try and tell me that Joey is a better quarterback than Daunte. I honestly wonder if someone could honestly tell me, that they fully believe, deep down, in their heart of hearts, that Joey is better than Daunte. I know i cant.
 
Nice read, but I disagree with you about Wes. He makes the tough catches and picks up much needed yards in 3rd and long situations. IMO he is the only sure handed WR on this football team. As far as the other 3......cut Booker and let Chambers take a pay cut.
 
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