ckparrothead
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It's true. Although I thought it was 20%.
Evan Silva: Dolphins/Colts most likely trade partners for Mike Wallace
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It's true. Although I thought it was 20%.
Will we trade more than we did for Marshall?
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You might be right and the 10% is to the franchise tag numbers.
ciscoholgate
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CK is right. I got my numbers mixed up. Maximum of 20% increase from one year to the next.
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agreed 100 percent why would we not trade for wallace?? this guy is a top WR in the league with amazing speed and in his prime, not to mention he has no off the field bs. The guy just wants to get paid like he deserves pittsburgh payed a one year wonder before they paid a guy who's been producing for years? they did it with Holmes to, ill take wallace any day over what we have now
ckparrothead
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A couple of points on Mike Wallace.
1. He's not seeking Larry Fitzgerald (8 years, $120 million) or Calvin Johnson (8 years, $132 million) money. That report came from a Sacramento news report in the wake of the 49ers' flirtation with Wallace. In other words, the 49ers didn't like what Wallace was asking for and they leaked a story to their own local press to make it look like he's being unreasonable and that's why they're not bothering with him.
2. According to the PITTSBURGH Tribune Review, Wallace is asking for a contract that is in line with Vince Jackson's 5 year, $55.6 million deal.
3. There's also a persistent rumor/assumption that Mike Wallace is a "diva"...I think it's assumed primarily because of this holdout. This could be true. I don't know Mike Wallace and I've never had contact with him. However, I am good friends with a man that does know him better and he has no idea where all this "diva" stuff is coming from, says Mike is a very humble guy.
4. This is a money thing. Mike Wallace has been working off a 3rd round contract (extremely low wages) yet has produced 3,490 yards and 26 TDs of offense for the Steelers during his three years in the NFL. He outproduced that contract even as a rookie. By his second year he was blowing that contract out of the water, same in the third year. He already has been grossly underpaid for three years and now he's set to make $2.7 million as a Restricted Free Agent this season. Wanting to be paid FAIRLY is not a sign of being a diva.
5. A Pittsburgh Post-Gazette writer believes that the asking price to get a trade done could be as low as a 4th round pick because of the significant money hurdle.
6. There is reason to believe, based on his trade for Brandon Marshall, that Jeff Ireland might be up for an acquisition like this. He traded two 2nd round picks for Brandon Marshall at a time when he thought he had a QB-of-the-future who was under performing just because of a lack of weapons around him. The latter is the key. Ireland has essentially placed the last hope of his career on Ryan Tannehill and so he's going to be desperate to make sure he has the weapons he needs, WHEN it's time for Ryan to get in the games (which is arguably not this year).
7. Further, the idea that Joe Philbin is averse to wide receivers with too much talent is absurd. He instigated the Brandon Marshall trade because he didn't like Marshall's personality, not because of some weird allergic reaction to wide receiver talent. I have no doubt that one exit interview conversation with Karl Dorrell was enough to tell Philbin all he needed to know. The idea that Philbin doesn't want a #1 receiver is absurd. Or maybe it's accurate, because he doesn't want a #1 receiver, he wants as many damn #1 receivers as he can get his hands on.
8. It's hard to know how Joe Philbin feels about this as he was only the offensive coordinator at the time, but in Green Bay, when they stumble into receiver talent, they don't mind paying for it. Greg Jennings received a contract worth nearly $9 million a year way back in 2009. An equivalent contract today would probably be $11 million a year which is what Wallace is supposedly asking.
9. On the other hand, there IS reason to believe that Joe Philbin (and perhaps Mike Sherman as well?) would rather develop wide receiver (and QB?) talent within their own system rather than acquire an expensive player from some other team's system that you have to suddenly fit into your own system and re-teach how to do things. When people bring that up, that's a pretty fair point.
10. Another fair point would be that Mike Wallace is more of a straight up vertical guy and may not fit this style of WCO. I'm not sure I buy it, as I think Wallace has talent that plays anywhere, and also I'm not sure how different he is from a Greg Jennings as a for instance, but the point can be raised.
1. He's not seeking Larry Fitzgerald (8 years, $120 million) or Calvin Johnson (8 years, $132 million) money. That report came from a Sacramento news report in the wake of the 49ers' flirtation with Wallace. In other words, the 49ers didn't like what Wallace was asking for and they leaked a story to their own local press to make it look like he's being unreasonable and that's why they're not bothering with him.
2. According to the PITTSBURGH Tribune Review, Wallace is asking for a contract that is in line with Vince Jackson's 5 year, $55.6 million deal.
3. There's also a persistent rumor/assumption that Mike Wallace is a "diva"...I think it's assumed primarily because of this holdout. This could be true. I don't know Mike Wallace and I've never had contact with him. However, I am good friends with a man that does know him better and he has no idea where all this "diva" stuff is coming from, says Mike is a very humble guy.
4. This is a money thing. Mike Wallace has been working off a 3rd round contract (extremely low wages) yet has produced 3,490 yards and 26 TDs of offense for the Steelers during his three years in the NFL. He outproduced that contract even as a rookie. By his second year he was blowing that contract out of the water, same in the third year. He already has been grossly underpaid for three years and now he's set to make $2.7 million as a Restricted Free Agent this season. Wanting to be paid FAIRLY is not a sign of being a diva.
5. A Pittsburgh Post-Gazette writer believes that the asking price to get a trade done could be as low as a 4th round pick because of the significant money hurdle.
6. There is reason to believe, based on his trade for Brandon Marshall, that Jeff Ireland might be up for an acquisition like this. He traded two 2nd round picks for Brandon Marshall at a time when he thought he had a QB-of-the-future who was under performing just because of a lack of weapons around him. The latter is the key. Ireland has essentially placed the last hope of his career on Ryan Tannehill and so he's going to be desperate to make sure he has the weapons he needs, WHEN it's time for Ryan to get in the games (which is arguably not this year).
7. Further, the idea that Joe Philbin is averse to wide receivers with too much talent is absurd. He instigated the Brandon Marshall trade because he didn't like Marshall's personality, not because of some weird allergic reaction to wide receiver talent. I have no doubt that one exit interview conversation with Karl Dorrell was enough to tell Philbin all he needed to know. The idea that Philbin doesn't want a #1 receiver is absurd. Or maybe it's accurate, because he doesn't want a #1 receiver, he wants as many damn #1 receivers as he can get his hands on.
8. It's hard to know how Joe Philbin feels about this as he was only the offensive coordinator at the time, but in Green Bay, when they stumble into receiver talent, they don't mind paying for it. Greg Jennings received a contract worth nearly $9 million a year way back in 2009. An equivalent contract today would probably be $11 million a year which is what Wallace is supposedly asking.
9. On the other hand, there IS reason to believe that Joe Philbin (and perhaps Mike Sherman as well?) would rather develop wide receiver (and QB?) talent within their own system rather than acquire an expensive player from some other team's system that you have to suddenly fit into your own system and re-teach how to do things. When people bring that up, that's a pretty fair point.
10. Another fair point would be that Mike Wallace is more of a straight up vertical guy and may not fit this style of WCO. I'm not sure I buy it, as I think Wallace has talent that plays anywhere, and also I'm not sure how different he is from a Greg Jennings as a for instance, but the point can be raised.
I think if the Dolphins doesn't try to acquire a player like Wallace, this is the reason why. If I remember correctly, Philbin is a big believer in player development and selected his coaches to help him accomplish this.
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I can't even believe this is a discussion to be totally honest! Wallace is a great receiver and if the Fins can get him they should. Dude is only 25 years old. Miami would do well to get this guy if they can. For those saying he is "only a straight line receiver" have no idea...that is just how pittsburgh used him, it doesn't mean he can't do other things. Besides who doesn't think Wallace can be the guy to take a 7 yard slant to the house? My real question is how do any of you REALLY know what kind of routes he runs? You spend a lot of time watching Steeler game film? I doubt it. TRuth is nobody knows what kind of routes he runs all I know is he was awesome for the steelers and is lightning fast which we need! Everyone wants to see Gates do well, well Wallace is a way better version of Gates!!! Bring him in Ireland!
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Lol his agent is smoking some good stuff
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He's seeking V-Jax! money! Lets do it!
Lilseb93
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It makes a lot of sense to me...
1.) We have no play makers on offense. Maybe some of the young guys turn out to be good, but they need to prove it.
2.) He's a big name. Gets people excited.
3.) He's young
1.) We have no play makers on offense. Maybe some of the young guys turn out to be good, but they need to prove it.
2.) He's a big name. Gets people excited.
3.) He's young
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I'd throw our better 3rd rounder for him if need be.
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He has the tools to be an elite WR and we need somone with his speed!!
ckparrothead
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I'm just saying that if it's true the Steelers could be asking as low as a 4th round pick for him and it's also true he wants the same contract Vincent Jackson got...the Dolphins need to have this discussion and it needs to be a serious one.
The guy is 25 years old and has produced 3500 yards and 26 TDs of offense over his first 3 years in the league. He's 6003 and 199 lbs and ran a 4.28 at the Combine with a 40 inch vertical and 10'9" broad jump. He already is the player the Fins were hoping Clyde Gates may develop into.
The guy is 25 years old and has produced 3500 yards and 26 TDs of offense over his first 3 years in the league. He's 6003 and 199 lbs and ran a 4.28 at the Combine with a 40 inch vertical and 10'9" broad jump. He already is the player the Fins were hoping Clyde Gates may develop into.