Even More Philbin Post-Purchase Reinforcement

[Vaark]

..in the form of relief that it could well have ended up being "Mr 6 winning seasons out of 17, run first Mediocre."

Not only would we have been saddled with Little Schotty but it looks likely there'd have been an unsettling flashback to the flagrant Meatball Junior type nepotism.

Allegedly meddling and cheap Bud Adams, that meanie who Fisher no doubt resented so much that he obviously resigned with several times over the course of 17 years, to his credit pizzed Jeff off by vetoing nepotism by refusing to allow little Fish to be put on the payroll. As a favor to JF, Swartz did hire him as some sort of nebulous "defensive assistant" but it sure sounds like he was more than happy to release him when daddy came calling to shuffle junior back to St Louis.

Whew!!

from PFT:

Brandon Fisher leaving Detroit to work for his dad in St. Louis

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 2, 2012, 8:32 AM EST

The Lions said after the season that all of their assistant coaches for 2011 would return for 2012, but it turns out that’s not the case.

The Detroit Free Press reports that Brandon Fisher, a defensive assistant in Detroit, is leaving to become an assistant to his dad, Rams head coach Jeff Fisher.

Lions coach Jim Schwartz, a friend of the Fishers and former assistant to Jeff Fisher, has apparently decided to let Brandon leave. Teams have sometimes blocked their assistants from leaving even to join family members’ staffs.

The 2011 Lions’ staff was the first that Brandon Fisher was a part of, although he did spend some time working with the Titans in 2010. Jeff Fisher’s desire to add Brandon Fisher as a full-time staff member in 2011 — and Titans owner Bud Adams’ resistance to that — was reportedly one of the reasons that Jeff Fisher left the Titans a year ago.

 

[NY8123]

While Philbin may or may not be the answer - Miami will not be sorry they missed out on Fisher.

 

[andyahs]

Nothing but good news with hires coming out of Davie.......can't say that about of St. Louis.

 

[DaLionsden189]

Ok pointless article in no way did this article come any close of making sense, we are now dumber reading this pointless article thanks!

 

[SkapePhin]

Nepotism happens all the time in the NFL. Its almost like politics. You can piggyback on your family name in the NFL moreso than any other business.

If Philbin is still here in 7 years, I wouldn't be suprised to see some of his sons land on the staff in some capacity.

 

[Vaark]

Ok pointless article in no way did this article come any close of making sense, we are now dumber reading this pointless article thanks!

not necessarily

 

[Sadetripodalso]

Nepotism happens all the time in the NFL. Its almost like politics. You can piggyback on your family name in the NFL moreso than any other company.

If Philbin is still here in 7 years, I wouldn't be suprised to see some of his sons land on the staff in some capacity.

Zac Taylor, our new assistant QB coach, is Mike Sherman's son in law. Just saying.....

 

[Dominate]

Without trying to sound like a Homer...I am so much more excited about having a Philbin, Sherman, Coyle coaching staff than that of Fisher, Williams, Schottenheimer.

As of right now my thinking is:

Philbin = Fisher

-We know what Fisher is going to bring to the table and I do not think it was going to be near enough of what we needed to see in Miami. Philbin may be unproven as a HC, but what I have seen and heard from him since he was hired has been very impressive. He may or may not work out, but I think his chances of being a great head coach is much higher than what Fisher would have given us. By the end of next season I expect, and hope, to be able to say that Philbin > Fisher.

Sherman > Schottenheimer

- This ones not even close. With Sherman we have another head coach, who has been a part of some very impressive offenses.

Coyle = Williams

- This one is in the air for me. Williams has been around the block and has had some pretty good defenses. However, his defense is the main reason the Saints are sitting at home right now. Coyle is unproven as a DC but you have to respect what he has been able to do with his defensive backfield in Cincinnati over the years, often times with lesser names and talent. It will be very interesting to see how this shakes out. Again, I have this gut feeling that there is a good chance that Coyles ceiling as a DC is higher that what we would have gotten out of Williams, and we will be able to agree on that after the season plays itself out.

Feeling real optimistic right now, and every day a little more happy we do not have Fisher.

 

[1972fins]

Fishers' salary significantly > than philbins

 

[ckparrothead]

Whether you like the Philbin hire or would've wanted Fisher, I don't see why this is a reason to like or not like either one.

It's not like Jeff Fisher tried to make his son Brandon the Offensive or Defensive Coordinator. Brandon Fisher was already a volunteer assistant coach for most of the 2010 season. Fisher tried to officially hire him in a low-rung position, and Bud Adams declined. Trust me when I say that was more of a straw that broke the camel's back than it was THE reason Fisher left. I think Bud Adams also fired one of Jeff Fisher's staff, Chuck Cecil, behind Fisher's back. And yes, that absolutely IS the mark of a meddling owner. As is forcing Jeff Fisher and Floyd Reese to draft Vince Young when NEITHER of them wanted VY.

So instead of allowing Jeff Fisher to hire his own son Brandon somewhere low on the staff, we've hired Joe Philbin, who allowed his Offensive Coordinator Mike Sherman to hire his son-in-law Zac Taylor onto the staff.

Hurray?

 

[Danny]

This article has nothing to do with how I feel about JF.....I didn't want him to be our HC.....time will tell if I was right or not I guess. I'm very happy with our new HC and the staff he's putting together so far but again, time will tell on that too.

Ozzy rules!!

 

[Vaark]

Whether you like the Philbin hire or would've wanted Fisher, I don't see why this is a reason to like or not like either one.

It's not like Jeff Fisher tried to make his son Brandon the Offensive or Defensive Coordinator. Brandon Fisher was already a volunteer assistant coach for most of the 2010 season. Fisher tried to officially hire him in a low-rung position, and Bud Adams declined. Trust me when I say that was more of a straw that broke the camel's back than it was THE reason Fisher left. I think Bud Adams also fired one of Jeff Fisher's staff, Chuck Cecil, behind Fisher's back. And yes, that absolutely IS the mark of a meddling owner. As is forcing Jeff Fisher and Floyd Reese to draft Vince Young when NEITHER of them wanted VY.

So instead of allowing Jeff Fisher to hire his own son Brandon somewhere low on the staff, we've hired Joe Philbin, who allowed his Offensive Coordinator Mike Sherman to hire his son-in-law Zac Taylor onto the staff.

Hurray?

Well if Adams is a meddler, interferer, cheapskate, etc, be that as it may. Considering VY was drafted in 06, Fisher agreed to a 4 year contract renewal at the end of that season. At that point he had worked for Adams, what, 12 years or so? That's at least one other contract renewal along the way.

This is not the equivalent of a battered wife syndrome where Fisher was held captive in a basement and forced to perform. He could have gotten up and left at any time. IMO if anything, that impugns his own judgment, makes him the moron for continuing to put up with Adams antics, especially a year after Young was foisted on him. As with the convenient BS he shoveled in the StL presser about the choice being a no-brainer, these are merely more empty excuses he hid behind to deflect from his own mediocre performances. When it comes to poor poor misunderstood Jeff Fisher, don't cry for me Argentina!

Quite a different tune he was singing here in an article dated 9.17.2007

Fisher, Titans agree on four-year contract extension
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Associated Press
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Tennessee Titans owner Bud Adams said more than a year ago that coach Jeff Fisher wouldn't be going anywhere. On Monday, the NFL's longest-tenured coach with his current team said he hopes to finish his career in Tennessee.

Adams picked up the 2007 option on Fisher's contract at the end of last season when the Titans rallied from an 0-5 start to finish 8-8, and an extension had been expected since then. Fisher said they finally worked out the last details last week.

"Never at any time was I of the opinion it was not going to get done," Fisher said. "What was most important to me was the team and the players and winning games."

The deal through 2011 is thought to be worth $5.5 million to $6 million per year.

Fisher is in his 13th season with the franchise that used to be the Houston Oilers. Promoted from defensive coordinator to interim head coach in November 1994, he was given the title after that season ended. He coached his 200th regular-season game in Sunday's 22-20 loss to Indianapolis.

Only 10 men have coached more games with one NFL team than Fisher, and he can tie Hank Stram at 210, including the playoffs, this week at New Orleans. He ranks sixth among active coaches for most career wins with 111.

"I have never even considered leaving," Fisher said. "I'm enjoying living here, enjoy coaching here. It was never a consideration. Hopefully, I can finish my coaching career here."

He is 18-32 since the team's last playoff berth and winning record in 2003.

But the Titans have won seven of their last nine games going back to last season when they rallied to finish one victory shy of a playoff berth with Offensive Rookie of the Year Vince Young.


Fisher credited Adams with being patient through those struggles. The Titans went from a team that lost 17-14 at New England in a divisional playoff in January 2004 to a 4-12 record for the 2004 season when injuries decimated the roster to 5-11 in 2005 after a salary cap-forced rebuilding.

"He understands you can't remain competitive if there's a catastrophic injury situation going on on your roster and those kind of things. He also understands the salary cap, and he understands there's going to be some lean years," Fisher said.

"He's excited as we are right now for the future of this team."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3023874

 

[ckparrothead]

He'd been coaching with the Titans long enough to see them through two different moves. He wanted to end his career there. You think Dan Marino always agreed with the direction the Dolphins were taking, especially under Jimmy Johnson? He stayed because he wanted to start and finish his career in Miami.

I think you're tilting windmills here.

 

[Vaark]

He'd been coaching with the Titans long enough to see them through two different moves. He wanted to end his career there. You think Dan Marino always agreed with the direction the Dolphins were taking, especially under Jimmy Johnson? He stayed because he wanted to start and finish his career in Miami.

I think you're tilting windmills here.

So by those standards, I guess it's understandable that he'd also be stuck in an archaic yet familiar offensive paradigm since voluntary upheaval, even healthy change for him is apparently too intimidating. Better to comfortably wallow in mediocrity than have to prove you're better than that elsewhere, eh?... of course that's unless you ironically end up getting kicked to the curb anyway. It's been my personal observation that when people need to be blasted, kicking and screaming out of their physical and mental comfort zones, it usually doesn't work out well.

Thus whether I'm leaning akimbo towards a particular windmill or not, I'm still exclaiming "whew, we dodged a major bullet!" :idk:

 

[Rev Kev]

He'd been coaching with the Titans long enough to see them through two different moves. He wanted to end his career there. You think Dan Marino always agreed with the direction the Dolphins were taking, especially under Jimmy Johnson? He stayed because he wanted to start and finish his career in Miami.

I think you're tilting windmills here.

I am excited by the JP hire - albeit I can forgive Fish for not winning it all in TN - only one team walks away with the trophy each year - it is a hard feat - but it looked to me that like Fish was more interested in holding his job than conviction when he signed another long term contract.

Fish does need to watch himself STL he didn't start off the blocks that well it wasn't exactly seamless...

I'll add that the ensuing division that Nepotism brings is completely is nasty when the results are there let alone when the results aren't there - I wouldn't hire my kid I know that - You are only asking for trouble and a lot of back biting. I work in an org that's founder hired its family over and over gain and it brings division.

Someone who wants to build off their relatives foundation is either immune to constant criticism or simply takes the expedient way to their goal - when it ends up crashing it crashes big because the quick explanation is "well you were hired because you were family many people were more qualified"

It all goes sideways oh so quick - hopefully the Dolphins have done the risk assessment ahead if time