Everette Brown

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What is the deal with this guy? I thought he was out of reach now he isn't in Peter Kings nor Don Banks' mocks

I think I'd like to apologize to you, Everette Brown. I don't have you in my mock draft for SI this week, and I fully expect you to be picked ... somewhere. I can't figure out where, and too many people in the bottom 20 of the round found too many holes in Brown.

 

[AceofSpades]

I haven't heard of anything that Brown himself has done to destroy his stock, although he isn't "tall enough" for NFL evaluators. For all that I know it is still entirely possible that he goes as high as #9 to the Packers.

But this draft is jam-packed with pass-rushing prospects, and with the Jason Peters trade completed I now view it as likely that the Bills will try to draft a LT if available at 11, most probably Michael Oher. The Bills were probably going to try to trade down from 11 and take Pettigrew or stay put and draft a pass-rusher at 11 before the Peters trade happened. In my opinion the pass-rusher would have been the right value. Now, post-trade, I really think they'd be idiots not to address LT at 11 and worry about their other needs at 28.

The fact that the Bills shouldn't be taking a pass-rusher at 11 means that more pass-rushers will likely drop down the board. And in the best class of hybrid LB/DEs I've ever seen, that means that somebody is going to drop further than he should.

What does this mean for us? Only good things - more good players at a position of need means more choices for us at 25. Nobody knows exactly how the draft will go, but I believe that the Dolphins are most likely to take a pass-rusher with their first pick and save CB for one of the second round picks. Whether we go WR at all on day 1 in my opinion depends on the values available when we choose at 44 and 56.

 

[ckparrothead]

I absolutely think that if he fell to #25, the Dolphins would make an honest woman of him.

 

[Dfootball11]

here is my draft board at 25 for olb

1) maybin
2) Clay Matthews
3) Everette Brown

I really do not think maybin will fall that far, and mathews will prob go before 25 as well.. thereofre brown would be a nice pick up for us at 25.. he is one of the best pass rushing de/olb hybrids in the draft and is a good value at 25..

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

I haven't heard of anything that Brown himself has done to destroy his stock, although he isn't "tall enough" for NFL evaluators. For all that I know it is still entirely possible that he goes as high as #9 to the Packers.

But this draft is jam-packed with pass-rushing prospects, and with the Jason Peters trade completed I now view it as likely that the Bills will try to draft a LT if available at 11, most probably Michael Oher. The Bills were probably going to try to trade down from 11 and take Pettigrew or stay put and draft a pass-rusher at 11 before the Peters trade happened. In my opinion the pass-rusher would have been the right value. Now, post-trade, I really think they'd be idiots not to address LT at 11 and worry about their other needs at 28.

The fact that the Bills shouldn't be taking a pass-rusher at 11 means that more pass-rushers will likely drop down the board. And in the best class of hybrid LB/DEs I've ever seen, that means that somebody is going to drop further than he should.

What does this mean for us? Only good things - more good players at a position of need means more choices for us at 25. Nobody knows exactly how the draft will go, but I believe that the Dolphins are most likely to take a pass-rusher with their first pick and save CB for one of the second round picks. Whether we go WR at all on day 1 in my opinion depends on the values available when we choose at 44 and 56.

Nicks, Butler, or Smith at #25 please, maybe even a DT if one is worthy at that pick. You say this draft is jam packed with pass rushers but we should take one at #25 even with other big needs? If there's that many why not fill a spot that's not so plentiful in the draft and get a pass rusher in round 2 or even 3. Also call me crazy but I think we have guys that can rush the passer, I know I know we don't know what we have in Wake and JP is getting old etc... but we DO have guys/bodies there with potential right now. I guess you could say the same thing at WR, but what do we have at CB? Reguardless of any of this though I hope Parcells and Co. go best player available at #25 other than QB, HB, or OT.

 

[dlockz]

I absolutely think that if he fell to #25, the Dolphins would make an honest woman of him.

agreed but I dont see much chance of that happening

 

[AceofSpades]

You say this draft is jam packed with pass rushers but we should take one at #25 even with other big needs? If there's that many why not fill a spot that's not so plentiful in the draft and get a pass rusher in round 2 or even 3.

There are indeed a lot of good pass rushers in this draft. Players like Clint Sintim and Michael Johnson who probably would be a first round pick in other years are likely to go in the second round. I won't deny that that begs the question of why we would go there at 25 when it is not our only need.

There are 4 answers to your question. First, I think that there is a good chance that a very good pass-rusher who should not fall to 25 will do so. The central question in this thread is why Everette Brown is falling, and my opinion is that he hasn't done anything to merit the drop in his stock. As stated already, I would not be shocked if the Packers take him at 9.

But the Jason Peters trade increases the chance that a player like Brown will fall to us because it takes a team that probably was going to pick a pass-rusher at 11 and gives it a giant need at LT. I think the Bills will have to take Michael Oher at 11, and if they do that they are not drafting Robert Ayers or Brown or Aaron Maybin. Even though most of those types of players still won't make it to 25, if any one of them does I would advocate taking him because there is a consensus that they are first-round worthy players among NFL teams and we are filling a need.

The second reason to take a pass-rusher at 25 is that, depending on who is on the board, a WR or CB is probably not good value at that point in the draft. Of the three players you mentioned, Darius Butler is the most likely to go in the first round. Nicks is getting slammed for gaining weight between the Combine and his Pro Day - even with an injury, NFL teams are saying, he shouldn't have gained 14 pounds so quickly.

A lot of teams think that Smith is a better safety prospect than CB prospect in the NFL and so do not want to take him in the first round. They look at his size and conclude that he can't play CB because very few CBs are so big in the NFL. It's a stupid rationale in my opinion because you need to evaluate the prospect, not rely on stereotypes, but maybe we can take advantage of it.

If we can still draft Nicks and/or Smith in the second round, why jump the gun and pick either one at 25? I have seen more than one draft in which we get both in the second round. Check out www.draftcountdown.com - that's a site that's been around for a long time and is as good as any out there. Scott Wright, who runs the site, has us picking Brown at 25, Nicks at 44, and Smith at 56, if I remember correctly.

Third, ask anyone who frequents this board how much Bill Parcells likes LBs. When we draft a pass-rusher, we are probably going to draft someone who is a hybrid DE/LB in our 3-4 scheme. Parcells started out in the NFL as a linebacker coach, and it seems like he thinks he evaluates that position best. Look at his history of drafting players in the first round.

Finally, we should draft the BPA and that player is probably going to be a pass-rusher, even if no pass-rusher falls dramatically. The fact that there are a lot of good pass-rushers in this draft and that we can get one after round one does not change the fact that there is a difference between the quality of player we can draft in round one as opposed to later.

 

[Elliott 1]

You say this draft is jam packed with pass rushers but we should take one at #25 even with other big needs? If there's that many why not fill a spot that's not so plentiful in the draft and get a pass rusher in round 2 or even 3.

There are indeed a lot of good pass rushers in this draft. Players like Clint Sintim and Michael Johnson who probably would be a first round pick in other years are likely to go in the second round. I won't deny that that begs the question of why we would go there at 25 when it is not our only need.

There are 4 answers to your question. First, I think that there is a good chance that a very good pass-rusher who should not fall to 25 will do so. The central question in this thread is why Everette Brown is falling, and my opinion is that he hasn't done anything to merit the drop in his stock. As stated already, I would not be shocked if the Packers take him at 9.

But the Jason Peters trade increases the chance that a player like Brown will fall to us because it takes a team that probably was going to pick a pass-rusher at 11 and gives it a giant need at LT. I think the Bills will have to take Michael Oher at 11, and if they do that they are not drafting Robert Ayers or Brown or Aaron Maybin. Even though most of those types of players still won't make it to 25, if any one of them does I would advocate taking him because there is a consensus that they are first-round worthy players among NFL teams and we are filling a need.

The second reason to take a pass-rusher at 25 is that, depending on who is on the board, a WR or CB is probably not good value at that point in the draft. Of the three players you mentioned, Darius Butler is the most likely to go in the first round. Nicks is getting slammed for gaining weight between the Combine and his Pro Day - even with an injury, NFL teams are saying, he shouldn't have gained 14 pounds so quickly.

A lot of teams think that Smith is a better safety prospect than CB prospect in the NFL and so do not want to take him in the first round. They look at his size and conclude that he can't play CB because very few CBs are so big in the NFL. It's a stupid rationale in my opinion because you need to evaluate the prospect, not rely on stereotypes, but maybe we can take advantage of it.

If we can still draft Nicks and/or Smith in the second round, why jump the gun and pick either one at 25? I have seen more than one draft in which we get both in the second round. Check out www.draftcountdown.com - that's a site that's been around for a long time and is as good as any out there. Scott Wright, who runs the site, has us picking Brown at 25, Nicks at 44, and Smith at 56, if I remember correctly.

Third, ask anyone who frequents this board how much Bill Parcells likes LBs. When we draft a pass-rusher, we are probably going to draft someone who is a hybrid DE/LB in our 3-4 scheme. Parcells started out in the NFL as a linebacker coach, and it seems like he thinks he evaluates that position best. Look at his history of drafting players in the first round.

Finally, we should draft the BPA and that player is probably going to be a pass-rusher, even if no pass-rusher falls dramatically. The fact that there are a lot of good pass-rushers in this draft and that we can get one after round one does not change the fact that there is a difference between the quality of player we can draft in round one as opposed to later.

It isn't just size that makes people look at Sean Smith as a safety.

He isn't fast, and his vertical and broad jump are very weak for a CB.

His vertical's were 34 and 32 and his broads were 9'11" and 9'5".

There are several 300 lbs. OL with better verticals.

He bench pressed 10 times.

There is ample room for concern that this kid could ever play CB in the NFL.

 

[finfan54]

Everette Brown = Dwight Freeney (4-3 defense). That to me, just off the cuff, is the problem.

 

[finfan54]

Third, ask anyone who frequents this board how much Bill Parcells likes LBs. When we draft a pass-rusher, we are probably going to draft someone who is a hybrid DE/LB in our 3-4 scheme. Parcells started out in the NFL as a linebacker coach, and it seems like he thinks he evaluates that position best. Look at his history of drafting players in the first round.

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This indeed is fact. We need someone like Maybin, Barwin, Sintim, or English. Guys who can have a great first step standing up and also learn to cover. Everyone is focused on us getting a pass rusher, but I believe we are looking for a guy who can do both!

But to me, Brown or others may fall because there are too many teams who run a 3-4 now and they see this guy, and other guys, as DE's with their hands in the ground, not standing up.

 

[miami234ever]

If Aaron Maybin or Everette Brown fall to #25, you better believe we will snatch either of them up. Don't buy the CB hype about Smith and Butler, we will not draft either of them at #25. OLB will be our pick, with the skilled positions such as WR and CB coming later on.

 

[PhinsTD]

He reminds me way too much of Wimbley...he is one dimensional and isn't fluid enough to drop into coverage. Pass on Brown please.

Maybin is the guy I'm hoping drops due to his explosive first step, and being a more fluid athlete. Size is a concern though.