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Experts: Ronnie good, not great

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About the article on the front page:

I agree with the overall assessment of R. Brown. He is good, but he is nowhere near great, like a lot of people want to believe. It's way too easy to get caught up in the hype because he was the #2 pick and Saban's first choice. But the fact is GREAT backs find a way to look good even with bad O-lines. No, not every game, but alot of the time. Ronnie is still indecisive and misses alot of cutback lanes, which brings into question his field vision and instincts.


Mercury Morris said losing Ricky Williams especially hurt Brown. ''I don't see a special back, but I see a guy with a lot of potential,'' Morris said of Brown. `` Barry Sanders ran behind some of the worst [offensive lines] and he still shined.'

Morris' opinion is right on. Don't get me wrong noone will ever be Barry Sanders, he was in a league of his own. But the basic idea is correct. GREAT backs shine no matter what. Brown is hardly shining. It's not all his fault, no doubt. But he doesn't have the overall ability to overcome inadequate line play.

On the flip side, of course, is that our O-line is not good. BAD. So it's obviously not fair to blame Ronnie for all the running troubles. Our problems are alot deeper than just Ronnie. We need alot of improvement on the o-line. But even then, Ronnie would be more of an Eddie George than a Preist Holmes or Ladainian Tomlinson. And to be honest, Eddie George was pretty much an average back who very seldom took over a game and had a very modest 3.6 ypc for his career.

**It would also help Ronnie if we'd stick with the running game late in games. Some of it is bad play calling, some of it is dictated by falling behind. Either way, Ronnie needs to take better advantage of his carries.

I like Ronnie, and I think he is good. So this article, and the overall opinions in this article, are very fair. He is good - not great. This team does miss Ricky. Ricky is so much quicker and more decisive on his runs and his ability would really do a lot for a struggling line and their confidence. Ronnie needs to step it up, hit the holes, and run with some confidence. Hopefully today will be the day when he finally breaks out with a good game.

Some will agree with this article, some will STRONGLY disagree and be quick to call the article dumb or unfair. But it is a fair article. Until Ronnie proves differently, he is just good.
 
I'm tired of hearing about Ronnie isn't great. How people can judge him off of this line is terrible.. Fact is Ronnie has all the tools to be a STARTER in this league his whole career. LOL people think he is superman, that he can just automatically make holes appear and is supposed to cut back to gain all these extra yards. I understand the frustration, but to assume Ronnie won't be great is obsurd. Draft picks get 3 years, it hasn't even been half that time yet, and he obviously is running behind maybe the worst run blocking OLine in football, with definetly the worst left side in football. I mean maybe he will be this average runner with good hands and good blocking ability, but I don't think he has had the oppurtunity to prove his true talents yet, and I won't judge him until after his third year.
 
In my opinion, Ronnie Brown doesn't really have a chance to shine with the way we are run blocking. I remember the O-line's Marino had which made me feel that I could be their running back (and I was a young kid at the time). Our O-line isn't it.
 
It's typical to say it's ALL the o-lines fault. But is it correct? Of course the line is partially to blame. But the question is: is Ronnie GREAT?
 
Good post SCall.

I remember how excited I was when we drafted Ronnie after watching him play in the SEC the previous 2 years. He was such a complete back, good speed, good power, good hands. But for some reason, it has not translated to the NFL yet. I will say that the one area where he has not disappointed has been his pass catching skills.

Of course, I somewhat resent the Barry Sanders reference that was made in the article because guys like that are once-in-a-generation type backs. Tomlinson is the back of our generation at this point. And I didn't think your reference to Priest Holmes was appropriate due to his Hall of Fame line and the greater success that Larry Johnson had last year filling in for him. The KC system, along with Denver, can make any back look good (not that some of them wouldn't have been good backs in their own right).

On the bright side, the article mentions the two starting backs who have lower yards per carry averages than Ronnie, and they are none other than Edgerrin James and Shaun Alexander. Both are playing on significantly worse lines than they did a year ago. And these guys are considered to be in the top five backs in the league! Goes to show you that the Tomlinsons and Barry Sanders who can run behind any line are so rare that it is unfair to compare anyone else to them. Even most top-5 RBs need a solid O-Line to run behind.

I'm optimistic for Ronnie's future. I think he's doing a fine job now, although he's not where I had hoped, I think he will get there soon.
 
Kdawg954 said:
I'm tired of hearing about Ronnie isn't great. How people can judge him off of this line is terrible.. Fact is Ronnie has all the tools to be a STARTER in this league his whole career. LOL people think he is superman, that he can just automatically make holes appear and is supposed to cut back to gain all these extra yards. I understand the frustration, but to assume Ronnie won't be great is obsurd. Draft picks get 3 years, it hasn't even been half that time yet, and he obviously is running behind maybe the worst run blocking OLine in football, with definetly the worst left side in football. I mean maybe he will be this average runner with good hands and good blocking ability, but I don't think he has had the oppurtunity to prove his true talents yet, and I won't judge him until after his third year.


You're taking this too personally. I am not going off on Ronnie Brown. I like the guy. But IS he great?
 
SCall13 said:
It's typical to say it's ALL the o-lines fault. But is it correct? Of course the line is partially to blame. But the question is: is Ronnie GREAT?

True. But at the same time, we didn't really get the chance to see if Ronnie Brown is great. The O-line is partially to blame. But the playcalling is also to blame as well.
 
SCall13 said:
You're taking this too personally. I am not going off on Ronnie Brown. I like the guy. But IS he great?

I think his rant was directed at the people quoted in the article. He's not shooting the messenger.:wink:
 
SCall13 said:
It's typical to say it's ALL the o-lines fault. But is it correct? Of course the line is partially to blame. But the question is: is Ronnie GREAT?

I mean this is a double edged sword type of question. He could be great, but how can anybody be judged behind this terrible run blocking line. Thats why I tend to throw out his ground game, and factor in the 2 categories where he can be judged . . . pass receiving and pass protection/blocking . . . and Ronnie gets A's in both from me. Right now his run game is Incomplete, but not factoring the line I would give him a C- (would be a d/f, but his effort is unmatched). Still, u have seen 2 area's where Ronnie can be GREAT, u know he has power and he has speed, he just needs to bring some homerun ability and better production to his running game, which IMO will come when the Line improves better.
 
After this article he is probably going to run 150 yards and 2 touchdowns. That is usually how it happens someone says he is overrated and whatnot then that player goes out and has a big day.
 
SCall13 said:
You're taking this too personally. I am not going off on Ronnie Brown. I like the guy. But IS he great?

Nah its nothing against you, but I keep hearing about how Ronnie Brown doesn't have "it". I mean Tatum Bell ran for some homerun plays last year and everybody was going nuts saying he has "it". But would u take him over Ronnie Brown . . . I know I wouldn't. Ronnie has ALL the tools, our hope as Dolphins fans is if he can ever be able to prove himself, and its just hard to say he hasn't when the Line this year is attrocious.
 
Crowder52 said:
Of course, I somewhat resent the Barry Sanders reference that was made in the article because guys like that are once-in-a-generation type backs. Tomlinson is the back of our generation at this point. And I didn't think your reference to Priest Holmes was appropriate due to his Hall of Fame line and the greater success that Larry Johnson had last year filling in for him. The KC system, along with Denver, can make any back look good (not that some of them wouldn't have been good backs in their own right).

On the bright side, the article mentions the two starting backs who have lower yards per carry averages than Ronnie, and they are none other than Edgerrin James and Shaun Alexander. Both are playing on significantly worse lines than they did a year ago. And these guys are considered to be in the top five backs in the league! Goes to show you that the Tomlinsons and Barry Sanders who can run behind any line are so rare that it is unfair to compare anyone else to them. Even most top-5 RBs need a solid O-Line to run behind.

Great post.:dolphins:
 
Brown42000 said:
After this article he is probably going to run 150 yards and 2 touchdowns. That is usually how it happens someone says he is overrated and whatnot then that player goes out and has a big day.

It would be refreshing to see him get 100+ yards with a touchdown, he needs a good game like that.
 
Kdawg954 said:
I mean this is a double edged sword type of question. He could be great, but how can anybody be judged behind this terrible run blocking line. Thats why I tend to throw out his ground game, and factor in the 2 categories where he can be judged . . . pass receiving and pass protection/blocking . . . and Ronnie gets A's in both from me. Right now his run game is Incomplete, but not factoring the line I would give him a C- (would be a d/f, but his effort is unmatched). Still, u have seen 2 area's where Ronnie can be GREAT, u know he has power and he has speed, he just needs to bring some homerun ability and better production to his running game, which IMO will come when the Line improves better.


OK, this is true. But a GREAT o-line will make an average/ good back look good/great. That is why any back who runs the ball in Denver (for example) normally puts on pro bowl numbers. But a great back will still look GOOD behind a bad o-line. Ronnie, right now, (aside from his catching) is looking average.
 
I really like how a lot of Fins fans say that you can't judge Brown because the line is so bad, and they then go on to judge that he's great and he could be a top 5 back blah blah blah.

I agree with the original poster. Brown has shown some potential but has not shown an ability to overcome bad blocking. He has not yet proven himself a great back nor a bust.

And I know, Pats fans can't really talk. If you check out a Pats board you'd think Maroney was the greatest back in the league.
 
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